On 11/12/2013 11:15 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/11/12 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>
On 11/12/2013 10:24 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/11/12 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>
On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net
<mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:
Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse.
So I'll ask you the same thing I asked Quentin, what's you
inference from
the fact you, and every body you've ever heard of died before
reaching age
150?
That observation is not relevant the question at hand. MWI implies
subjective
immortality, not immortality of others.
I didn't specify a question.
And what is this "what's you inference from the fact you, and every body
you've
ever heard of died before reaching age 150?" ?
Also I don't see the relevance of the fact that we don't have past
eternality for
that question ? You don't have to move back to 4 to say we forget things,
from day
to day there are a lot of things I forget
Me too, but there are *some things* I remember and even remember
remembering. My
father had Alzheimers and he came to a state where he didn't remember
anything, even
minute to minute. Was he still the same person? Didn't seem like it to me.
... that doesn't mean I'm dead today, or that those event didn't exists, or
that is
necessary they did. QI does not state that we should have an eternal
past... only
that our 1 POV will never cease (doesn't say anything about perfect memory
recall
either).
No, but if we rely on QM to show we have an eternal future, then we have to
say why
the time symmetry of QM doesn't imply and eternal past. Of course the
obvious
answer is in the past our physical structure (i.e. brain etc) didn't exist.
But
then that also implies that we won't exist in the future as our physical
structure
dissipates.
Only if MWI is false, QI relies on MWI, with MWI, it is garanteed that some branches
will carry a continuum of you from near perfect continuation to no continuation (but
these are to be ignore, you're just not where you're not), of course if MWI is false, QI
is too.
But when you look at it that way it's not so dependent on QM as on statistical mechanics.
If your 'measure' in the world (and I'm not sure that's a coherent concept) is continually
decreasing, as the Born weight of "dead" grows "alive" falls, then the probability you are
dead approaches 1. Then it becomes vague what "you" means. Can your next experience be
that being a corpse, a rock, a bit of methane gas? Is there necessarily a Quentin who
remembers being Quentin at all?
Brent
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