Mitch
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From: Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:12 pm
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Thus said, because there are eternal laws, there are eternal truths.
For the materialists, Konrad Lorenz said something extraordinarily
profound that connect two universes of knowledge: The Kantian
apriori of knowledge have been inserted in our brain/mind/soul by
evolution in the form of intuitions, processing of the senses and
other instinctive elements without which not only knowledge but
existence would be impossible. They are US in a literal sense.
That means that the eternal truths are around us, but primarily
also in ourselves, in this instinctive knowledge gained trough
evolution, about ourselves, about others and about the world. It
includes from the very basic: the perception of space and time, that
Roger talk about from time to time, to the commons sense to the the
highest truths about what is good and what is bad.
2013/11/12 <spudboy...@aol.com>
I agree and understand, Alberto, with your elegy.
Mitch
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From: Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:42 am
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To spudboy:
Reason alone does`n move to anything, not even to knowledge. If you
think that your passions are bad for looking for the truth, you are
wrong. What you must say is that some passions are an obstacle for
other higher passions, for example the passion of using the reason
to reach the truth.
But truth is ever constitutionally instrumental, it is ever
passional, because the ultimate arbiter of truth in the most deep
of our mind (brain if you like) is a switch that is activated by
different stimulus that are unavoidably passional, because that is
in our own nature, architecture of the mind, or whathever you may
call it, in the light of experience, philosophy or evolutionary
science, the ultimate legitimizer of truth is passional.
Or in physico-mathematical terms, truth is whathever that maintain
us, and ours away from entropic obliteration,
2013/11/12 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
On 12 Nov 2013, at 06:23, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 7:43 PM
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Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World
On 11 Nov 2013, at 18:49, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
A Grand Council of Truth?
>>Certainly not. Honesty is not "knowing truth". It is just being
able to correct oneself when being shown wrong. It is very simple,
if they were not jealousy, vanity, pride, and things like that.
Good point… but we are wrapped up in these other emotions and often
driven by them, some more than others for sure, but all of us – if
we are honest with ourselves -- to some degree on some occasions
(no shame & no blame) We are so wrapped up in all of this that it
drives us to hotly deny that anything of the sort could possibly be
so; we cannot even begin admitting to it. Naturally there is a
whole range of personality types along the spectrum; perhaps some
humans have transcended it all… they say Buddha did, but the rest
of us to one degree or another suffer from our own blind failings.
It is a struggle within sometimes to not fall into these all too
easy to fall into habits and their blind unthinking way of
supplying the mind with readymade answers. This very quick, but
unthinking mechanism makes sense in a field survival situation,
where there is no time for thought to slow down response. Just some
cardinal trigger and there is an immediate amplification of the
signal in the brain and an immediate zoom to the fore of our minds.
Often, especially in situations, such as can develop on internet
discussion groups, primitive instincts take over – I have seen it,
so have you, so has everyone here. Passion can drive instinctive
behavioral modes to the fore. Re-learning the inner being living
inside the mind is rather much a lifelong pursuit – for after all
we are a moving target, and if we do not keep a certain vigilance
we all risk falling into habitual modes of mind.
You are right. I think that biological evolution oscillates all the
time between the selfishness (the self and his/her passions) and
cooperation (long term sensible and reasonable action). This comes
from the tension between the 1p and the 3p (Bp & p and Bp). It is
very complex, and related to the paradox of theology: If everything
is solved, we can as well kill ourself. There is no simple solution,
and more than one life is not enough. The correct contemplation-
level is hard to grasp. But Buddha got it ... allegedly.
Bruno
And, you already know where I am going with this. One night, while
dining at a restaurant, a good one, the High Reasoner, meets with
an old friend to discuss the new FIFA rules issued for the World
Cup. The friend slides over a closed sports magazine. "Have a look
at this article in the middle, here." Inside the magazine is a
rather thick envelope.
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On 11 Nov 2013, at 01:27, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Ok, but this is a technique for priming the intellectual pump. If
it produces nothing good, nothing powerful, then this method would
be a complete failure.
It seems to me that this works very well, as long as the society is
below some level of corruption, in which case you can be
misinfoirmed, and by not knowing it and being honest, you spread
the lies and this leads to problem soon or later. Problems comes
from the liars, but also from the people who have been lied. It is
very often hard to delineate them.
Bruno
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From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
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Sent: Sun, Nov 10, 2013 2:49 pm
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On 09 Nov 2013, at 19:09, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
I am emphasizing having governments print out (Keynes style)
absolutely, colossal, amounts of cash, as a reward for coming up
with excellent disease treatments and cures, human solar system
tours, and clean energy solution, environmental remediation. If the
banks won't fund researchers, then private equity will, if private
equity won't then a million contributors-open source-will, provided
they get a cut of the reward offered by a government prize. I
wouldn't be shocked if you, Professor, Marchal, might summon up 25
ECU's in exchange for receiving 3000 ECU's or Golden Yuans, in
payment, 5 years later.
Only if this reflects some honest contracts.
Honesty is not just "moral", it is something which elevates a lot
the real value of money. It generates trust.
Be honest.
If you don't try to be honest for the calm of your conscience, do
it for the wealth of your children.
Today big corporations are based on lies. That's the problem.
Bruno
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