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[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 1:21 PM
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Subject: Re: Nuclear power
The resources are always the FIRST thing I think about, which is why I
advocate subcritical reactors (well, it's one reason).
Luckily we have a lot of thorium, or so I'm reliably informed, which is what
subcritical reactors use.
LFTR reactors would produce U233 - which is very nasty stuff. Still
preferable to the fast neutron U-238 breeder types that would create the
plutonium economy, but it is very nasty stuff in the hands of the wrong
people. How would the state prevent U233 from falling in the hands of the
wrong people if these small LFTR reactors became widely deployed all over
the world?
In order to protect these facilities and prevent U233 - and a lot of other
by-products - from being turned into very very dirty bombs we will guarantee
that we will live in a police state. How else could the entire sector be
kept secure? If a terrorist steals some solar panels - what harm can they
accomplish?
Chris
On 16 November 2013 10:19, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 01:01:44PM -0800, meekerdb wrote:
> On 11/15/2013 11:06 AM, John Clark wrote:
> >
> >Lets look at the disasters associated with various energy producing
projects:
> >
> >In 1975 the Shimantan/Banqiao hydroelectric Dam in China failed and
killed 171,000 people.
> >
> >In 1979 the Three Mile Island reactor melted down and killed nobody.
> >
> >In 1986 the Chernobyl nuclear plant melted down and killed 31
> >immediately and 4000 many decades later.
> >
> >In 1979 the Morvi hydroelectric Dam in India failed and killed 1500
people,
> >
> >In 1998 a oil pipeline in Nigeria exploded and killed 1078 people.
> >
> >In 1907 the Monongah Coal Mine in West Virginia exploded and killed well
over 500 people.
> >
> >In 1944 a liquified natural gas factory exploded in Cleveland Ohio and
killed 130 people.
> >
> >In 2011 the Fukushima nuclear power plant melted down and killed nobody.
>
> Not only that, coal mining releases a lot more radioctivity into the
> atmosphere than nuclear plants ever have.
>
> Brent
>
For all the arguments pro and con nuclear fission, including an
impassioned speech by a 16 year old last night to a UN Youth Voice
competition, what never seems to be discussed is the elephant in the
room of how much uranium resources we have. IIUC, if all fossil fuel
power plants were replaced by conventional fission reactors, we'd burn
through our uranium supplies in about 50 years flat. So fission
reactors do not solve the problem. Of course there is fast breeder
technology, but everbody is so shit scared about all the plutonium that
would then appear on the market, making it incredibly easy for rogue
states to construct nuclear weapons, that I don't see that happening
any time soon either.
Cheers
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