On 05 Dec 2013, at 17:13, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux
<allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com>
wrote:
2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com>
wrote:
2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux
<allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
Measure is relative,
Yes, so your current measure of next finding yourself in a Drelb
continuation, is relatively low compared to the measure of you still
being conscious on Earth. But if you point a quantum gun at your
head and pull the trigger 30 times, your Earth-continuation measure
continues to fall, it is reduced by a factor of a billion. At this
point, your Drelb-based extensions may become relatively higher than
your Earth-based extensions, and therefore you would be likely to
experience a transition to those realms of higher measure.
it doesn't drop while you approach death.
Your measure drops whenever you make yourself more unique,
You doesn't, you always have an infinity of continuations.
In measure theory ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Measure_(mathematics) ) just because there are an infinite number
does not mean they are equal. Your measure each time you pull the
trigger in the quantum gun is (approximately) halved.
No, that is ASSA...
especially in those instances where you survive dangerous situations
(such as falling from a height, or significantly aging).
Your relative measure doesn't drop,
Relative to what? Does not one's measure of being alive drop in
half with each trigger pull, (relative to your measure of being
alive before the trigger pull)?
but the outcome to explain you're still alive can become more
strange... and drelb based extensions should not become much higher,
simple physics should still have higher measure to explain your
unlikely survival.
You are saying we cannot reduce one's measure for surviving in the
physical universe to arbitrarily low levels? What would you say
your relative measure of being alive in the physical world be after
an atomic bomb went off 10 feet from you (relative to before it went
off)?
Probabilities add up to one...
Which probabilities are you referring to here?
The probabilities applies only on your continuation, the
partitioning of the infinity of continuations where you're alive are
the probabilities to find yourself in such continuation or such
other, those adds up to one...
Think of it like this: There are 10,000 explanations for your
current experience. 9,950 are various physical and biological
instances of you living on Earth, 30 instances are various ancestor
simulations run by future humans, 15 are by advanced aliens in other
universes, and 5 are by Drelb-like entities. If you shoot yourself
in the head with a quantum gun, 4,975 of the 9,950 biological
instances are dead, and 25 of the 50 simulated ones awaken from the
simulation. You pull the trigger again, and 2488 of the 4975
biological survivors from the first trigger pull are dead, and 13 of
the 25 simulated survivors wake up from their simulation. Note that
with each trigger pull, the proportion who are still alive (either
in the simulation or having awoken from it) remains the same: at 50,
while the population of physical/biological entities is cut in half
each time. After another 12 or so trigger pulls the only remaining
survivors will be those that were simulated, and all of them now
find themselves in a different realm.
If what I said above is the ASSA, then what does the RSSA say
concerning the above analysis?
That is invalid, because there are never a finite number of next
continuations.
Everett said there is a non-denumerable number of copies, can you
not apply relative measure to these?
You can... why coudn't you...? What I said, is that Dreb world will
always be less likely than simple physical explanation for your
current moment...
It should be , or we all should have met Dreb by now.
If it is infinite, take Jason's numbers as proportions (which does not
make much sense in front of arithmetic, but are still conceivable as a
well defined protocol. In those thought experiences there is a
limitation principle used of the time: like the hypothesis that there
are no reconstitutions elsewhere, which makes no sense. We can only
hope our normal stories multiply us at the right level for us to
survive, be it biologically, physically, or arithmetically.
I have not read the novel, the point is that a "real", concrete,
duplication will already be a multi-duplication relatively to the
normal computations, and if you are copied at that level, the
probability of being Drelb is not negligeable, in that protocol,
(which is a weird divine or diabolical proportion that only a
theoretician can invent for the sake of an argument).
Bruno
Quentin
If not, it seems impossible to make predictions such as "there is a
10% chance you will observe the photon to land in this spot", but we
can.
Jason
Quentin
Jason
the partitioning of Drelb world should always be low measure... even
near death.
This would require that the simulation hypothesis has an extremely
low (relative) probability.
Jason
Quentin
And by no cul de dac you should not count where you 're dead.
Subjectively you cannot die. And in an infinitely large and varied
universe, many strange things may happen.
Jason
Le 5 déc. 2013 03:44, "Jason Resch" <jasonre...@gmail.com> a écrit :
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com>
wrote:
2013/12/4 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 12/4/2013 10:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:17 AM, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:
Theory? I am betting neither Clarke the writer, nor Shermer, the
Atheist, has put a lot of intellectual efforts in their
perspectives/statements. Clarke was aiming at human perspective.
Shermer was trying to shoot down the attitudes of the religious, by
re-phrasing Clarke's Law. Could God be Drelb, the famous hyper-
intelligence from the Sombrero Galaxy. If this is so, what can we
do about it?
If Drelb is hyper-intelligent, it can simulate all of Earth and
learn everything about us and everything we do.
That seems inconsistent with the idea that "we" are infinitely many
threads of computation in multiverses. FPI would make us random to
Drelb too.
There are also infinite numbers of Drelb though too.
Drelb, by constructing a "physical replica" of Earth, is in a sense
is running a quantum emulation of all possibilities of Earth, and
Drelb, by observing it, is split into as many copies as there are
possibilities for the simulation to diverge.
Such should have a very low measure facing the UD or comp is false...
As you approach death and your measure drops, strange things may
result. Remember there are an infinite number of such Drelb-like
entities, none can change mathematical truth so none can affect
whether or not your existence, but they can provide continuation
paths for you.
Jason
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