On 05 Dec 2013, at 20:05, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
On 05 Dec 2013, at 17:20, Jason Resch wrote:
So if you were to spend a day in the box with Schrodinger's cat
(each hour having a 50% chance of poisoning you), what would you
predict experience to be at the end of that day?
I like to answer this by this: At the end of the day I feel well and
kiss the cat, together with a total amnesia of having gazed, which
begin by a nausea, vomiting, cruel pain and agonizing death. I would
put quantum flowers on 'his' quantum tomb to have died for me.
Respect for the little kitty too.
Would you say there is a greater probability of ending up in a
strange and different place on this day, compared to normal days
when you don't face a 999,999 out of 1,000,000 chance of being killed?
It depends on the killing ability of the gas used.
Are you OK for this? I pay you 10,000$ for accepting to sleep one
night in my sleep laboratory, I tell you in advance that you will
live a quite intense nightmare, but I promise you that you will be
100% amnesic of it and you will unaffected by the experience, are
you OK?
$10,000 is a lot of money, it's hard to think of a nightmare so bad
(even without the amnesia) that would not make it worth taking the
money.
If the nightmare is *very* painful ...
In the equivalent example of torture + amnesia, under which I would
be willing to pay $10,000 to avoid to avoid the torture (with or
without amnesia), then I think the logical decision is still to
reject the torture and $10,000 even if it comes with amnesia.
OK.
The slowing of the annihilation illustrates something weird. Before
the experience the probability are one halve that you will feel
either just passing a boring day with a cat in some chamber, or
going through a slow unpleasant (ending?) event.
Yet the probability that you survive, above one day, the experience
seems to be still one. It is part of a finite path elimination
process, from the 1p perspective. It is analogous to the backtracking.
I am not sure it is correct as I cannot be sure the agonizing near
death experience terminates, and for who? Nothing is simple here.
Indeed.
I accept *total* annihilation experience only in thought
experience! In practice it might not exist. We don't know (and
can't know) our substitution level, and it depends on what you are
willing to abandon, or to what you identify with is.
1-annihilation experiences are near death experiences. Is it clear
that they have endings in the arithmetical reality? Who knows?
The same can be asked for some type of dreams, and altered states of
consciousness.
The way I have for a time looked at is, is there are X instances
that explain your current experience. Some may be "ordinary" while
others might be, say a "dream". If in your experience, you encounter
something you are unlikely to survive ordinarily, like a Mushroom
cloud on the horizon, then you will likely next find yourself waking
from a dream. (Since all the non-dreaming ordinary explanations are
dead). Is there something wrong with this reasoning?
Consistent, but not necessarily necessary. There are dreams and
dreams. You might awaken in another realm, or in computers build by
descendents, etc. And, who knows, you can awaken in some heaven and
unconditional love state ...
In my opinion, understanding a theorem in arithmetic already
provides a glimpse on a deep and atemporal experience, connected to
the first person in virtue of an argument.
I will need to think more on this. Thanks.
OK,
bruno
Jason
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