On 25 Dec 2013, at 16:21, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Bruno, and Samiya,
Because there can be no creator sustainer God that stands outside
the universe. Where would he/it stand? That's an irrational belief
from millennia ago. The universe by definition is all that exists...
But "what exists" need to be define in some TOE.
"God created the natural numbers, all the rest belongs to natural
numbers dreams" (paraphrasing Kronecker again). The physical reality
is a first person statistics on "cohering" dreams. Normally. My point
is that this can be made precise (thanks to computer science) and
tested experimentally (and somehow QM weirdness get easily explained,
but the classical, symplectic, part of physics is much harder.
Bruno
Edgar
On Sunday, December 22, 2013 3:10:30 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
All,
The question of whether God exists is meaningless without first
giving some definition of what is meant by God, of how God is
defined. Otherwise everyone is talking about different things and
nothing will go anywhere.
If you need a God there is only one possible rational definition and
that is to just define God as the universe itself. First there is
now absolute certainty that God does exist (all the interminable
meaningless arguments vanish), and second his attributes now become
the proper subject matter of science and reason rather than
ideology, faith or myth.
But most certainly the dogmas of all the organized religions are all
atavistic myths in the same category as Zeus and Odin which, like
them, should have been discarded millennia ago....
Edgar
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