Spudboy, Good question.
It has to be clearly understood that an observer is always a participant in the event he observes. An observation is always an event. Physics tends to think of observers as standing outside the events they observe, but what they really do is participate in subsequent events to the particular event they imagine they are observing. E.g. a human observer does not actually observe the quantum event he is usually talking about except through a chain of other events terminating in his visual participation with a measuring device, which is of course another set of quantum events, since all events are quantum events. So, in a general sense, all participants in every event, even down to the particle level, act as observers of that event, and information about events flows computationally through networks of connected events. In my book on Reality I call this 'The Sherlock Holmes Principle' and it is the basis of all knowledge, both scientific knowledge and the knowledge of direct experience. Edgar On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:14:04 PM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com wrote: > > Not to be dense, but what are you defining as participant versus > observer? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net <javascript:>> > To: everything-list <everyth...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> > Sent: Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:25 am > Subject: Re: The 'Super Anthropic Principle' - why multiverses are not > needed and thus very unlikely > > Spudboy, > > There is no observer in the usual sense of a human observer needed for > quantum events. But in effect every participant in a quantum event acts > as an observer of that event. The theory of decoherence has rightfully > superseded the old mistaken notion of an observer 'causing' a > wavefunction collapse, if that's what you are referring to. > > > Edgar > > > > > > > On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 11:52:10 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen > wrote:All, > > ST=spacetime, c=speed of light, thus STc Principle. > > > To answer some of Jason's questions. Block time is wrong. Only the > common present moment exists. All the comments Jason makes refer only > to differences in clock times which are well known, but the important > point is that all those differences in clock time occur in the SAME > common present moment.. I find it difficult to understand why so many > people can't get their minds around the difference which proves there > are two distinct kinds of time. > > > The past exists only as inferences from the present as to what states > would have resulted in the present according to the currently known > laws of physics. Therefore the past is actually determined by the > present state of reality from the perspective of the present which is > the only valid perspective. Therefore the logical network of past and > present is absolute 100% exact and could not have been different in > even the slightest detail. The actual currently state of the universe > falsifies the very possibility of other pasts. This is another > difficult concept for many. > > > Only the future is probabilistic because it does not yet exist and has > never been computed. But the past - present logical state has been > actually computed and thus is completely deterministic now that it > exists and it could not have been different in any minute detail at all. > > > This solves the problem of the original fine tuning. Given the current > state of reality which is all that exists, all other conceivable fine > tunings are impossible. This is what I call the 'Super Anthropic > Principle', and it negates the necessity and probably the actuality of > postulating any multiverses and strongly implies our observable > universe is most probably the only one that exists. > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to > everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:>. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
