Dear Edgar, I am curious. Have you every read A. Wheeler's It from Bit? Did you understand the concept of the Surprise 20 Questions game?
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Edgar L. Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote: > Jason, > > Not quite. The CONTENTS of conscious are the results of computations. The > FACT of consciousness itself, that the computations are conscious, is due > to the self-manifesting nature of reality as explained in the other post. > > The rest of your questions don't follow. The fact that reality is real and > actually exists means it must be present. That presence of reality > self-manifests as the shared common present moment we all experience our > existence within, which is the shared locus of reality, and that present > moment is the only locus of reality. Therefore no block time, no MW, etc. > > Edgar > > > > On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 11:06:51 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Dec 31, 2013, at 8:28 AM, "Edgar L. Owen" <edga...@att.net> wrote: >> >> Jason, >> >> Thanks for asking. I'll start a new topic on Consciousness hopefully >> sometime today as it is clearly an important topic on its own..... >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 12:13:26 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:17 AM, Jason Resch <jason...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Do you think a computer can be conscious? >>>> >>>> If yes, then do you think the experience of the consciousness within >>>> the computer would be different if the computer existed in a block-time >>>> universes instead of a moving-present universe? If so, how/what would >>>> cause the states of the evolving computer program to take a different >>>> course in the block universe vs. the moving present universe? If you see >>>> no reason the computations should diverge, then you must agree the states >>>> reached by the computer program are the same, and since they are the same >>>> the conscious program could not behave any differently. This includes any >>>> realization that it is in a block-time vs. a moving-present universe. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Edgar, >>> >>> I am particularly curious to hear what you think of the above reasoning. >>> It seems that it applies to your theory which I believe at some level holds >>> that the right computations can produce consciousness. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >> >> Edgar, >> >> Thanks for your reply in the other thread. I see you answer that >> consciousness is the result of a computation. >> >> If a conscious computation believes and feels like it is in a single >> moving present moment, do you agree it will feel this way so long as the >> same computation is performed, regardless of the hardware that executed it? >> >> If so, shouldn't it follow that whether the computation exists in a >> moving present or in a block universe, that the conscious computation will >> still feel and believe it exists in a single present moment? >> >> I don't see how any theory that uses the computational theory of mind can >> escape this conclusion. 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