Stephen, No, haven't read it... If you think it's relevant you could summarize why...
Edgar On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 11:57:46 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > Dear Edgar, > > I am curious. Have you every read A. Wheeler's It from Bit? Did you > understand the concept of the Surprise 20 Questions game? > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Jason, >> >> Not quite. The CONTENTS of conscious are the results of computations. The >> FACT of consciousness itself, that the computations are conscious, is due >> to the self-manifesting nature of reality as explained in the other post. >> >> The rest of your questions don't follow. The fact that reality is real >> and actually exists means it must be present. That presence of reality >> self-manifests as the shared common present moment we all experience our >> existence within, which is the shared locus of reality, and that present >> moment is the only locus of reality. Therefore no block time, no MW, etc. >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 11:06:51 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 31, 2013, at 8:28 AM, "Edgar L. Owen" <edga...@att.net> wrote: >>> >>> Jason, >>> >>> Thanks for asking. I'll start a new topic on Consciousness hopefully >>> sometime today as it is clearly an important topic on its own..... >>> >>> Edgar >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 12:13:26 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:17 AM, Jason Resch <jason...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Do you think a computer can be conscious? >>>>> >>>>> If yes, then do you think the experience of the consciousness within >>>>> the computer would be different if the computer existed in a block-time >>>>> universes instead of a moving-present universe? If so, how/what would >>>>> cause the states of the evolving computer program to take a different >>>>> course in the block universe vs. the moving present universe? If you see >>>>> no reason the computations should diverge, then you must agree the states >>>>> reached by the computer program are the same, and since they are the same >>>>> the conscious program could not behave any differently. This includes >>>>> any >>>>> realization that it is in a block-time vs. a moving-present universe. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Edgar, >>>> >>>> I am particularly curious to hear what you think of the above >>>> reasoning. It seems that it applies to your theory which I believe at some >>>> level holds that the right computations can produce consciousness. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Edgar, >>> >>> Thanks for your reply in the other thread. I see you answer that >>> consciousness is the result of a computation. >>> >>> If a conscious computation believes and feels like it is in a single >>> moving present moment, do you agree it will feel this way so long as the >>> same computation is performed, regardless of the hardware that executed it? >>> >>> If so, shouldn't it follow that whether the computation exists in a >>> moving present or in a block universe, that the conscious computation will >>> still feel and believe it exists in a single present moment? >>> >>> I don't see how any theory that uses the computational theory of mind >>> can escape this conclusion. As a consequence of it, we cannot use our >>> feeling of existing in a single present as any kind of true indicator for >>> what the reality of the matter is. >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Visit this group at <http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit <https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>> https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/7G5zm5OFT0k/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > > Kindest Regards, > > Stephen Paul King > > Senior Researcher > > Mobile: (864) 567-3099 > > step...@provensecure.com <javascript:> > > http://www.provensecure.us/ > > > “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of > the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain > information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and > exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as > attorney work product. 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