Hi Brent, It is only vicious if there is no time. For example: Math->Physics->Biology->Evolution->Humans->Culture->Science->Math' ->Physics' -> ...
The knowledge evolves in time. On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 4:27 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 12/31/2013 2:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Dec 2013, at 21:43, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > Dear LizR and Brent, > > I will try to go at this from a different direction. What exactly does > "fundamental level" mean? Does there have to be "something fundamental"? > > > > Fundamental is often used in two senses. either as "very important". In > that sense physics and math are fundamental. > > Or is the sense of "primitive", that is, what we have to assume at the > start, like the primitive symbol in a theory, intended to denote what we > admit to exist at the start. We need them because we cannot derive anything > from nothing. Even in the "nothing theories", we need the mathematical > axioms to handle some notion of nothing. > > > > There is another way that avoids assuming that there is something > "fundamental". It is a sort of ring of explanation (actually suggested by > Bruno): > > Math->Physics->Biology->Evolution->Humans->Culture->Science->Math > > Of course it is objected that this is viciously circular; but I counter > that if the circle is big enough to take everything in, then it is > virtuously circular. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/1NWmK1IeadI/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
