Dear Brent,
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 12:27 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 1/9/2014 8:26 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > Dear Brent, > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:19 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> On 1/9/2014 7:07 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >> >> No Liz, I told you what it IS. It's the happening in computational space >> that enables computations to take place since something has to move for >> computations to occur. All it DOES is provide the processor cycle for >> computations. >> >> You seem to be nit picking... >> >> Edgar >> >> On Thursday, January 9, 2014 9:56:19 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >>> >>> No you spent them telling me what it *does*. I'd like to know what it >>> *is.* >>> >>> >>> On 10 January 2014 15:54, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Common Liz, I just spent the last number of posts telling you and >>>> Stephen what it is... Don't make me repeat myself... >>>> >>> >> I don't know why there is this concern about Edgar's computations. >> It's seems very much like Bruno's, except Bruno's Universal computer is >> running all possible programs (by dovetailing). >> > > > AFAIK, I agree. I see little difference except for semantics. > > > >> The time that appears on clocks is a computed ordering relation which >> is conjugate to the conserved quantity called "energy". >> > > I don't know how time (the flow of event to event) or its conjugate > emerges from either Bruno or Edgar's proposed theories. Both seem to assume > a timeless and static domain from which everything, literally, emerges. I > would like to better understand the mechanism of the emergence. > > > Look up the paper by Wooters that I cited, or the earlier one he wrote > with Don Page. It's not mysterious, it's the same question to be answered > in any block universe model. > I think that I have read it. I have been plowing through papers on that subject for about 10 years now... > The talk by Knuth you cited was a nice attempt. As one of the commenters > noted, it's seems questionable to base the structure on causality, but it > seems to me that Knuth's assumption of ordering was weaker than physical > causality. > Right, it is not based on causality, just ordering like 1 < 2 but for values that are not strictly numbers. The most basic idea involved in any interaction... It is the associativity property that generates the neat stuff. :-) > > Brent > > > > >> >> Brent >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/TBc_y2MZV5c/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > > Kindest Regards, > > Stephen Paul King > > Senior Researcher > > Mobile: (864) 567-3099 > > stephe...@provensecure.com > > http://www.provensecure.us/ > > > “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain > information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and > exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as > attorney work product. 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