On 11 Jan 2014, at 08:56, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Der Bruno,
The UD has no output. I guess you think to the trace of the UD, UD*,
which from the first person perspective is "entirely given", by the
1p delay invariance."
The UD never stops. If a process lasts forever, it is eternal,
then it does not ever complete and thus its results never obtain in
any way that can be considered as accessible.
?
Then real numbers don't exist.
To belong to your first person indeterminacy domain, the UD needs only
to access the state, which, by non stopping, has to occur once. of
course we might need to look at the 10^(10^1000) nth step of the UD.
But the 1p is not aware of the "reconstitution" (in UD*) delay, so
that does not matter. Either your state is accessed, or not, and if it
is accessed it take a finite "time" (number of the UD-steps), and
belongs to the indeterminacy domain. So the global FPI does have the
whole infinite trace of the UD as domain, or if you prefer it is the
infinite union of all its finite parts. Just keep in mind the step 2
and 4.
Bruno
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 10 Jan 2014, at 22:57, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/10/2014 1:34 AM, LizR wrote:
On 10 January 2014 22:27, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think that there can be a single or multiple processor
computing "the state of the universe". In fact there is no such
universe. The universe is an appearance emerging, from below the
substitution level, on all computations going through our current
state. A single computation can hardly do that a priori, although
this is not excluded, but this would lead to a newtonian-like type
of reality. Everett confirms that such a computation cannot be
unique, which is the default stance in the comp theory, although
we cannot avoid at this stage some possible conspiracy by numbers
leading to a unique computable reality.
Surely a single computer could run the UD, at least until it wore
out?
As I understand it the multiverse, the world, is the complete
output of the UD.
?
The UD has no output. I guess you think to the trace of the UD, UD*,
which from the first person perspective is "entirely given", by the
1p delay invariance.
In effect the UD must "finish" in order to have computed the world,
UD* is entirely given in the tiny sigma_1 block arithmetical reality.
which of course is an uncomputable output.
It is not an output. The trace is computable. Only the FPI on that
set of computations is not computable.
Bruno
Brent
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