Bruno, You have a very strange view of arithmetic if you think it "is full of processor cycles".
Can you explain how that works? It seems to imply an innate notion of time. Note that I agree with this, it's my p-time, but block universe and your block comp seem to be lacking it... PLease explain in PLAIN ENGLISH rather than your usual cryptic notations and (undefined in the context) terminology.. Edgar On Saturday, February 1, 2014 3:27:08 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 31 Jan 2014, at 13:13, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Liz, > > Your mouth sure has to move a lot to tell us it's not moving! > > The problem is not that static equations DESCRIBE aspects of reality. The > problem is that you are denying the flow of time. > > > We deny a *primitive* and *ontological* flow of time. We don't deny the > internal experience of flow of time. > > > > For equations to compute (not just describe) reality, there must be active > processor cycles. There is simply NO way around that... > > > Arithmetic is full of active processor cycles. > > Bruno > > > > Edgar > > > > On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:24:48 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >> >> Why do some people have such a problem with "how change can emerge from >> something static" ? It's as simple as F = ma - a static equation describing >> something changing. Change is by definition things being different at >> different times. If you map out all the times involved as a dimension, you >> will naturally get a "static" universe, just as putting together all the >> moments making up a movie gives you a reel of film - but only from a "God's >> eye perspective". This is the perspective science gives us, the perspective >> given by using equations and models and maps to describe reality; it isn't >> the world of everyday experience, which (at best) views those equations and >> so on from within (assuming for a moment they are so accurate as to be >> isomorphic to reality). >> >> Obtaining change from the static view used by science is a non-problem, >> and has been since Newton published his Principia. >> >> There *are* problems with comp, of course, like the "white rabbit" >> problem. Does anyone have any new views on the real problems, rather than >> worrying about straw men? >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
