On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote:
> Jesse, > > Yes, the views are infinite on several axes, but that can be addressed > simply by enumerating views at standard intervals on those axes. > But velocity intervals which are equal when the velocities are defined relative to one frame are not equal when the velocities are defined relative to a different frame. I already mentioned an example where if a frame 1 has velocity v=0.1c relative to me and another frame 2 has velocity v=0.15c relative to me, then the interval between them is 0.05c from my perspective, and likewise if a frame 3 has velocity v=0.9c relative to me and another frame 4 has velocity v=0.95c relative to me, then they have the same interval of 0.05c from my perspective; but for another observer moving at v=0.8c relative to me, frame 1 has a velocity of -0.761c and frame 2 has a velocity of -0.739c (so the interval between 1 and 2 is 0.022 for this observer), whereas frame 3 has a velocity of 0.357c and frame 4 has a velocity of 0.625c (so the interval between 3 and 4 is 0.268c for this observer, more than ten times larger than the interval between 1 and 2). These velocities are calculated using the relativistic velocity formula at http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/velocity.html where u = -0.8c is my velocity relative to the second observer, and v is the velocity of any given frame 1,2,3, or 4 relative to me. Point is, if your "intervals" are equal relative to one frame but unequal relative to all other frames, then you are privileging a particular frame's perspective from the start. > Or you could equally integrate over the continuous functions. > As I said, the only way to do this is to use some sort of weight/measure function, and a weight/measure function which is uniform when plotted against velocity in one frame will be non-uniform when plotted against velocity in other frames, so there doesn't seem to be a way of picking such a function that doesn't privilege one frame from the start. > > Considered together simply means you plot the correlation each frame view > (at the standard intervals as above) gives and see how they cluster. Which > I'm pretty sure will be around my result. > The will "cluster" around the judgment of whatever frame you choose to privilege from the start, either by your definition of "equal intervals" or by your weighting/measure function. So, using this to conclude anything about the "actual" correlation would just be another piece of circular reasoning. Jesse > > You don't need to view the resulting graph from any frame as you seem to > suggest, because the graph is OF the actual all frame view results. > > For every frame you simply calculate the apparent lack of simultaneity > between two events Nonsiimultaneity=(t1-t2) and plot it relative to the > simultaneity that my method claims is actual. > > Edgar > > > > On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 2:13:24 PM UTC-5, jessem wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote: >> >> Jesse, >> >> Yes, you are right. I phrased it incorrectly. >> >> What I meant to say was not that each individual view was somehow >> weighted, but that all views considered together would tend to cluster >> around m >> >> ... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
