On 8 March 2014 10:29, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Friday, March 7, 2014 3:52:33 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
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>> On 8 March 2014 01:21, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> An empty space within which events occur does not exist. There is no
>>> universal fixed pre-existing empty space common to all events and observers.
>>>
>>> Why? Because we cannot establish its existence by any observation
>>> whatsoever. We NEVER observe such an empty space. All we actually observe
>>> is interactions between particulate matter and energy. In fact, all
>>> observations ARE interactions of particulate matter or energy, they are
>>> never observations of empty space itself.
>>>
>>
>> Observations are not in fact observations of interactions between matter
>> and energy, either. They are in fact interactions inside our brains,
>> hypothetically the reception of nerve signals by our brain cells.
>>
>
> There are interactions inside our brains, but that doesn't mean that those
> interactions are literally our observations. It's not a fact, it's an
> assumption, and one which clearly has problems once you scratch beneath the
> surface.
>

Yes, but the point is that there's a hierarchy of assumptions here. I was
just pointing to the next level down. Going deeper doesn't invalidate
Edgar's point any more than the fact of the first level does.

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