On 31 Mar 2014, at 19:04, meekerdb wrote:

On 3/31/2014 12:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

OK...you see an elegant explanation sBould the empirically observed fact actually not be.

But would even that alone have been remotely near the ballpark of things taken seriously, had there not been extreme quantum strangeness irreconcilable at that time, with the most core, most fundamental accomplishments of science to date?

MWI evacuates all weirdness from QM. It restores fully
- determinacy
- locality
- physical realism

The price is not that big, as nature is used to multiplied things, like the water molecules in the ocean, the stars in the sky, the galaxies, etc. Each time, the humans are shocked by this, and Gordiano Bruno get burned for saying that stars are other suns, and that they might have planets, with other living being. It is humbling, but not coneptually new, especially for a computationalist, which explains the MW from simple arithmetic, where you need only to believe in the consequence of addition and multiplication of integers.



The price is not having a unified 'self' - which many people would consider a big price since all observation and record keeping which is used to empirically test theories assumes this unity.

Really?





If you observe X and you want to use that as empircal test of a theory it isn't helpful if your theory of the instruments says they also recorded not-X.

It is helpful when it is part of the only theories which are working, like QM, or arithmetic.

We need only the unity of the first person self, from the first person self point of view, and that is guarantied by the comp hypothesis.

Ah! Brent, this list is called "everything" because it is open to the idea that everything, or nothing, is simpler than any mono-thing.

I can understand that it is counter-intuitive, but the brain has not been programmed for the big picture, so we can expect the possible truth to be shocking, it seems to me.

And then comp, even QM, can be wrong, also.

Bruno






Brent

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