On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 5:17 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 4/26/2014 4:25 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 1:07 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> On 4/26/2014 1:43 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> Nice to see buddhism and taoism there, but where is (strong) >>> atheism/materialism? Hmm.... :) >>> >> >> The graph says v1.1, so maybe you can issue a bug report :) >> Where would you say it branches from, in that tree? >> >> >> I would say from the greeks, and then in some growing percentage of the >> abramanic religions. (But it certainly occurs also elsewhere, like notably >> in some branch of Hinduism and Buddhism). >> >> >> To complete the tree you would need to start further down (a tap root?) >> where science, magic, and religion were all the same thing. Modern >> atheism, since the Elightenment is mainly an embrace of science and a >> rejection of the revelatory religion and so would branch off around >> Galileo. Magic is still around and connects to Voodoo and some other >> "religions" that use ritual to control "the gods", but science has been >> even more corrosive of magic than religion. It just works a lot better. >> > > There is the atheist/agnostic position, that I share, that rejects > deities -- or find as much reason to believe in them as in any other > unfalsifiable claim. But then there are atheists that have strong believes > that feel religious again. One example is the strong belief that > consciousness is a byproduct of matter. This is a common belief nowadays. > To be fair, it seems to be a belief "by default" by educated people. > > > Wouldn't you say there's more evidence for that than the contrary? > I don't see it, but maybe it's a limitation on my part. I consider that hypothesis too. Telmo. > > Brent > > > I have confronted some friends with the implications of this belief and > they seem to change easily to "I don't know" when thinking more deeply > about it. But other people are strongly attached to it. > > Telmo. > > >> >> Brent >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
