Thanks, Bruno. Quite profound: 'To be or not to be' ... 'I don't want to be here' ! Samiya
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > On 29 Apr 2014, at 12:00, Samiya Illias wrote: > > An interesting conversation: > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/feeling-our-emotions/?page=1 > Bruno, can this be developed in a machine? > > > I agree with large parts of Damasio, and disagree on others. Alas, he is > still not aware of the consequence of mechanism, (like most brain > scientists), and I disagree with his interpretation of Descartes (but that > is another topic). > > Yes, we are driven by emotion. The "intellect" is a recent development in > our history. It is the passage from "eaten or to be eaten" to "to be or not > to be". > > Keep in mind that computationalism is the assumption that *you* are > already a machine, and so, trivially, comp takes into account all your > emotion. If you survive a teleportation, but would lose your emotion, comp > would be false. By definition, your entire mental universe, including > faith, emotion, reason, ... is preserved. > > The body ([]p) is only a finite local representation of "you", but "you" > comes as much from the truth than from that self-representation. Personal > consciousness, the maker of sense, start from the intersection of truth and > "bodily-beliefs": the "[]p & p". > Consciousness is semantical, and is more on the side of p, in the "[]p & > p". Somehow, the intellect (mind, machine) []p is a filter of that > consciousness "p". > > "emotion" is our oldest language, with a quick evaluation of the adequacy > of a chemical environment. Our olfactive neurons have special relationship > with the region of the brain related to emotions, which witness that fact, > and people know how much a smell can trigger souvenir charged with emotion. > > This is also well illustrated in the following video. Although the > paramecia are a bit slow figuring what happened, they got eventually the > point; probably not in the shape "Gosh I am eaten by an amoeba", but more > something like "I don't want to be here and I have to try to escape at all > cost". > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvOz4V699gk > > Bruno > > > > > Samiya > > *MIND*: Do you believe that we will someday be able to create artificial > consciousness and feelings? > > *Damasio*: An organism can possess feelings only when it can create a > representation of the body's functions and the related changes that occur > in the brain. In this way, the organism can perceive them. Without this > mechanism there would be no consciousness. It is unclear that this could > ever develop in a machine or whether we really want machines with feelings. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
