RE: Evolution from Scripture

['Chris de Morsella' via Everything List]

 

 

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Subject: Re: Evolution from Scripture

 

On Fri, May 2, 2014  Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

> John asks: Name one scientific fact in the Bible or the Koran that you 
> wouldn't expect members of a Bronze Age tribe in 1500BC to know.   

1.      More than one stomach in a honey bee's body
2.      Description of human embryo which can only be studied with a microscope 
3.      Sex of the baby determined by the father's semen 
4.      Lying is associated with the frontal brain  
5.      Shape of the Eart
6.      Worker honey bees who collect food are females 
7.      h is ovoid 
8.      Iron is not indigenous to Earth 
9.      Time is relative 

You can explore these and more topics on the following links: 

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/ 

http://www.4islam.com/amazingquran.shtml 

I have no way to refute these claims point by point because only a few vague 
scriptural quotes are given, such as  "there emerges from their {bees] bellies 
a drink", and "leech-like clot". Perhaps these quotes impress you, they don't 
me. It's pretty clear what's going on, whenever science discovered one of the 
above facts scholars then scrutinize the word salad that is the Koran and said 
"oh yes the Koran predicted that" , but the funny thing is nobody made that 
interpretation until AFTER science made the discovery. Just 20 years ago few 
scientists believed that Dark Matter existed and NOBODY thought Dark Energy 
did, and of course no religious scholar did either. Today things are very 
different, virtually all scientists think that Dark Matter and Dark Energy both 
exist I have no doubt that somebody somewhere has has found some silly 
quotation and claimed that the Koran has predicted the existence of those 
things too. 

Although they know they exist science still doesn't know what Dark Matter or 
Dark Energy are, but someday it will and just one day after it does somebody 
will claim that the Koran foretold what those things were too; it would be a 
bit more helpful if some student of the Koran would tell us NOW what these 
things are, but that may be asking too much because predicting is hard, 
especially the future. Predictions are much easier to make AFTER the event. 

> John asks: And why do both books give so much moral advice that today we can 
> only describe as evil?  Why is the God of the Bible such a moral imbecile?  

1.      The scriptures need to be studied with reference to context.  

In what context would it be moral to force somebody to eat their children and 
their friends?  

    > 2 The scriptures have suffered alterations,

So whatever the past virtues the scriptures may or may not have contained today 
we can find better moral advice by examining a sack full of dead rats than in 
examining scripture.

  >  3 Only the arabic text of the Quran has not suffered changes,

Mohamed was illiterate and never wrote anything, he dictated. And the Quran as 
it exists today didn't come into being until long after Mohamed died and other 
bipeds of the genus Homo and the species sapiens decided what to include in 
that book and what to exclude, such as the Satanic Verses. And if Arabic is 
better at transmitting ideas than other languages why is it that the Arabs have 
not advanced Science in the last 700 years?   

> I find the moral advice in the Quran to be based upon beautiful moral 
> principles.  

On nearly every page of the Quran you can find moral advice on how to kill 
unbelievers as slowly and painfully as possible. 

 > God is loving, kind and compassionat

Morally God as described in the Quran is indistinguishable from Satan as 
described in the Quran. And the Bible is no better.

  John K Clark

John – we disagree on some matters, but I share your disdain for the Abrahamic 
monotheism cults. 

Religion, and especially the Abrahamic brands of magical thinking have visited 
centuries of death, torture, repression, imposed ignorance, enforced adherence 
to rigid (and falsified) dogma based on mythologized stories and fairy tales.. 
edified with the term scripture that makes it sound better than the selectively 
edited, codified, primitive bronze age collection of misconceptions and magical 
explanations for a universe they could not comprehend.

Chris

 

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