The alpha particle is comprised of four protons repelling each other while circling in a tight circle and two electrons looping through the circular path of the protons. The four protons are attracted to the two electrons. The Coulomb forces from the two electrons are effective in keeping the protons circling.
In Chapter XIII I show that alpha particles can be combined to make carbon 12, Oxygen 16, neon 20 magnesium 124 silicon 28, sulfur 32 and calcium 40. Their spins, like the alpha particle are all zero. These stable combinations are possible because the charge distribution in alpha particle is negative on its outside and more positive on the inside. However, the combination of two alpha particles beryllium 8 is extremely unstable (half-life of 7 X 10-17 second). Beyond Calcium 40 extra electrons are needed in the nuclei to keep them stable. John R. -----Original Message----- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 5:49 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: TRONNIES On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 04:50:46PM -0700, John Ross wrote: > LizR, > > > > Are you suggesting that just because there is an existing description of the > proton that we should not try to develop a better description? > > > > I have shown that Coulomb forces can hold protons together and Coulomb forces can hold together alpha particles and all of the other atomic nuclei can be held together. I don't see how it can. Protons and alpha particles have a measurable size, they're not point particles. By the same argument you gave earlier, their Coulomb force should blow them apart. Maybe you can try to show in simple terms how your bound state achieves proton stability without involving some kind of additional attractive force. We know for sure that Coulomb forces exists. We can see it when we comb our hair. We do not know the strong force exists. And we do not know quarks exists. Maybe they do exist but I do not believe so. We also do not know what preceded the Big Bang . I believe I know. Wouldn’t you like to know what preceded the Big Bang? Or would you say, “Why should we care, what difference does it make. Are you satisfied with a theory that says our Universe with 100 to 400 billion galaxies began with a singularity? Sure - but I wouldn't be satisfied with just some guess as to what happened. It would need to be based on well tested physical theory. > > > > At one time I thought that one of the purposes of this chat group might be to > try to find a better “theory of everything”. We certainly will not find it > if we don’ try. Strictly speaking, this groups was set up to discuss consquences of the notion of ensemble theories of everything, in particular Max Tegmark's, but also other similar notions. The list has indeed wandered far and wide from that initial scope, according to the interests of list members, but it has never showed much interest in GUTs (grand unified theories), which I think is what you're trying to target. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au Latest project: The Amoeba's Secret (http://www.hpcoders.com.au/AmoebasSecret.html) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
