We're at the center of the universe? In John Ross's cosmology, or the normative standard model?
You didn't answer the one about the massive coincidence of us being at the exact centre of the universe. -----Original Message----- From: LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 2, 2014 9:29 pm Subject: Re: TRONNIES - SPACE On 3 June 2014 13:12, John Ross <jr...@trexenterprises.com> wrote: Space doesn’t keep things apart. What does then? This is from wiki: An integrating sphere (also known as an Ulbricht sphere) is an optical component consisting of a hollow spherical cavity with its interior covered with a diffuse white reflective coating, with small holes for entrance and exit ports. Its relevant property is a uniform scattering or diffusing effect. Light rays incident on any point on the inner surface are, by multiple scattering reflections, distributed equally to all other points. The effects of the original direction of light are minimized. An integrating sphere may be thought of as a diffuser which preserves power but destroys spatial information. It is typically used with some light source and a detector for optical power measurement. A similar device is the focusing or Coblentz sphere, which differs in that it has a mirror-like (specular) inner surface rather than a diffuse inner surface. I'm not sure why that is significant. You are right about 100 to 400 billion. I admit my calculation was very rough. But the photon pressure does not have to be great if you are talking about something the size of a galaxy and it continues pressing for billions of years. I would like to see a more precise calculation of the photon pressure from the entire universe on a single galaxy especially one near the edge of our Universe. I know that photons from our sun turns the tail of comets away from the sun. So why don't all galaxies have tails, given that the universe has a definite centre in the Ross model, and the photon pressure will be greater from that direction? Neutrino photons are a 1,000 times smaller than gamma ray photons which can pass some distance through steel. They are traveling at the speed of light. Neutrino photons are so small that they rarely impact any charged particle. Charged particles do not feel the Coulomb forces from neutrino photons until the neutrino photon has passed by, but the charged particles feel the Coulomb forces spreading out behind the neutrino photon once the neutrino photon is gone. It’s kind of like the shock wave from a jet. The shock wave would be travelling outwards radially, surely? It takes a long time for a Black Hole to digest a star. First the Black Hole has to create anti-protons and then the anti-protons have to mate up with the protons. Then the neutrino photons have to make their way from near the center of the Black Hole to the surface before they can take off through the galaxy. There shouldn't be any time required for objects inside a black hole to connect up, because the hole's gravity crushes everything to a point. So all the point particles will be in the same place. Escaping from the hole is more difficult, although if you can travel faster than light I guess there may no be a problem. I understand it takes visible light energy (entrons) to travel from the core of our sun to the surface. I think you missed something out there. It takes photons a long time to travel from the core of the sun to the surface because the sun is a plasma and they keep being absorbed and re-emitted. The distance a photon can travel inside the sun is very short, which is why the sun is opaque I guess. I'm not sure what the connection is with black holes. Light travels at the speed of light through Coulomb grids. The Coulomb grid travel at the same speed as the galaxy it is associated with. The Coulomb grid associated with a galaxy near the edge of our Universe is probably receding from you and me at near the speed of light, I understand, maybe faster. Einstein thought that massive objects curved space and that photons travel through space. I say that space is nothing, it can’t be curved, but Coulomb grids are definitely curved. Our sun’s Coulomb grid is curved and our earth’s grid is curved. And I also say photons travel not through space but, through Coulomb grids. So my guess is that I would get the same answer as Einstein for Mercury’s path. Don't guess. If you have a decent theory you should be able to work out the answers. I love your questions! You didn't answer the one about the massive coincidence of us being at the exact centre of the universe. John R From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 4:08 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: TRONNIES - SPACE On 3 June 2014 05:04, John Ross <jr...@trexenterprises.com> wrote: John Clark, Thanks for your May 30 post. It looks like we are fairly close on time but not on space. Here are my basic thoughts on space. Pardon me if I am repeating myself. Space is total nothingness. It can’t be curved. I suppose it could be expanded. If you move to a bigger house, you will have more space. If space was nothingness, it wouldn't be able to keep things apart. The Ross Model proposes a shell for our Universe. It is a cold plasma shell comprised of mostly electrons and positrons. It may be many light years thick. On the inside of the shell are 100 to 400 galaxies. I'm guessing that should read 100-400 billion galaxies. Does this imply that we happen to be (roughly) in the centre of the universe? If the distance to the CMBR / shell is 13.82 billion lyr or whatever it's currently measured as, and that result holds in all directions, the chances of us being in such a favoured position is, erm, lemme see ... according to my best estimate that's "astronomically unlikely". Of course the current model of the universe and the CMBR doesn't require any such coincidence, because it explains how any observer would see roughly the same things we do. (So one falsifiable prediction of the Ross model is that future measurements of the CMBR in different directions will almost certinaly give at least slightly different distances.) I don’t know what is beyond the shell, but I could guess. The shell is currently expanding due to photon pressure from all of the stars in all of the galaxies, which means that the volume of our Universe is expanding. Reflections from the shell and low temperature radiation from the shell gives us our cosmic background radiation. Our shell is like an integrating sphere. Faraway galaxies are all moving away from each other due to photon pressure from the same stars. The pressure is small per square meter but the cross section of galaxies is very large. Plus the pressure is continuous providing an accelerating force that increases the velocity of the galaxies every second for billions of years. The velocities of faraway galaxies may approach or exceed the speed of light. This is anti-gravity. Have you done the calculations? Galaxies are VERY faint sources, I believe an observer placed at a typical position in the universe would see hardly anything (if they had human senses). Of course this photon pressure would have to be fairly even to accelerate everything in a galaxy at the same rate. My guess is that it would just blow all the hydrogen clouds out into intergalactic space, so all galaxies would resemble comets with tails pointing away from the centre of the universe. I don't believe this has been observed. Nearby galaxies are being attracted to each other. This is the result of gravity. According to the Ross Model gravity is the result of destruction of protons and anti-protons in Black Holes. This releases a neutrino entron with each destruction. Neutrino entrons exit the Black Holes as neutrino photons. Neutrino photons are about 1,000 times more energetic than gamma ray photons. Most neutrino photons illuminating stars, planets and moons pass right through providing a backward force directed toward the source of the neutrino photon. I don't see how this would work. Any momentum transfer would tend to push objects away from the source. A few are temporally stopped and later released giving stars, planets and moons their gravity. I have calculated that the destruction of one earth-size planet in the Milky Way’s Black Hole would produce a neutrino photon flux at our solar system of about 68,000 neutrino photons per meter squared-second. The flux at nearby galaxies would be much less but I believe it is enough to overcome the photon pressure between nearby galaxies. Low-energy photons pass through large distances of intergalactic space more efficiently than neutrino photons. So at very large distances low-energy photons trump the neutrino photons. As already noted this requires black holes to swallow mass at a constant rate, maybe averaged over a few years - which seems highly unlikely. Some BHs remain "unfed" for billions of years once they have cleared out their immediate neighbourhood. Since my model proposes that tronnies are point particles occupying no space and that everything in our Universe is made from tronnies or things made from tronnies, our Universe and everything in it must be 100 percent empty space. But every tronnie, based on its charge, is continuously producing Coulomb force waves that expand continuously. This means that our Universe is filled 100 percent with Coulomb waves. These are all traveling at the speed of light in all direction. The result is a huge number (probably infinite) of Coulomb grids. Photons travel in Coulomb grids. Each major thing in our Universe with all of its charged particles creates its own Coulomb grid. Our Universe has a Coulomb grid. Each galaxy has a Coulomb grid. Each star and its planets have one. Planets and moons each have a Coulomb grid. As all of these things move through our Universe at a variety of speeds they carry their grids along with them. Photons travel at the speed of light through Coulomb grids. Large masses can definitely produce a curvature in the mass’s Coulomb grid. However if the speed of light isn't a limit these are all travelling at different speeds. This seems a bit ... epicyclic. So if we define “space” as Coulomb grids, then my model may not be much different than general relativity I think there are still a few points of difference. For one thing, Einstein came up with the equations he derived from his model of space-time curvature, and solving them gives not merely retrodictions of the perihelion of mercury etc, but predictions of unexpected consequences, several of which have been confirmed (some since Einstein's death). gravitational lenses gravitational waves black holes the expansion of the universe (famously fudged by the man himself, which fudging turned out to ALSO be a correct predictions, whoda thought it?! He must have been a genius...) (and possibly worm holes and white holes) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. 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