On 09 Jun 2014, at 19:13, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Ok good point
Justice and revenge are human inventions
Oooooh... That looks like a human belief.
I am afraid that the justice problem haunts many Löbian machines and
Löbian gods (Non Turing effective set of beliefs, or numbers).
I am sure there are zoologists and anthropologists, who would have
oodles of observed behavior for the former. Justice is rarely
objective, however better tech may render our species better
choices. This is an optimistic guess.
Justice is when the laws are applied equally to all citizens.
If a law is unapplicable or unjust, well you can still write a book
and suggest changing a law.
Justice, like truth are ideal concepts, or guiding concepts. Pain
also, in teaching us what to avoid, it can guide to what is better.
Justice is not necessarily about punishment or revenge, but of
restauring trust in the references.
If you are raped by the local priest regularly since some times,
justice is already there a little bit when it stops.
Like in the health, we have only that: harm reduction. Tiny
improvements. Of course when bandits take or influence powers, "harm
reduction" is presented as tolerance which is not well seen those days.
Bruno
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On 9 June 2014 11:22, spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com
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Back to the death penalty. Its hard for me to determine what
disuades people from murdering, if anything.
For most people you don't need to dissuade them, except in extreme
situations, imho. For psychopaths and normal people in extreme
situations, I imagine it's the prospect of getting caught and
punished (and no doubt the religious idea that they will inevitably
be punished, possibly for eternity, helps). Plus the natural desire
not to kill people (see previous posts on the difficulties armies
have getting soldiers to kill people).
Is there such a thing as just revenge?
Justice and revenge are human inventions, so the question is context
dependent. All one can say is that neither of these appear to exist
naturally, except insofar as humans have created them, but that they
both arise from tendencies with, I'm sure, genetic and social
underpinnings. (So some animals exhibit them too, I imagine.)
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