On 11 June 2014 04:35, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

> On 09 Jun 2014, at 19:13, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
>
> Ok good point
>
> Justice and revenge are human inventions
>
> Oooooh... That looks like a human belief.
>

I may have been too hasty. They're almost certainly evolutionary inventions.

>
> I am afraid that the justice problem haunts many Löbian machines and
> Löbian gods (Non Turing effective set of beliefs, or numbers).
>
> Please elaborate!

> I am sure there are zoologists and anthropologists, who would have oodles
> of observed behavior for the former. Justice is rarely objective, however
> better tech may render our species better choices. This is an optimistic
> guess.
>
> Justice is when the laws are applied equally to all citizens.
>
> If a law is unapplicable or unjust, well you can still write a book and
> suggest changing a law.
>
> Justice, like truth are ideal concepts, or guiding concepts. Pain also, in
> teaching us what to avoid, it can guide to what is better.
>
> Justice is not necessarily about punishment or revenge, but of restauring
> trust in the references.
>
> If you are raped by the local priest regularly since some times, justice
> is already there a little bit when it stops.
>
> Like in the health, we have only that: harm reduction. Tiny improvements.
> Of course when bandits take or influence powers, "harm reduction" is
> presented as tolerance which is not well seen those days.
>
> Hmm. I will have to think about that.

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