On 15 Jun 2014, at 07:19, LizR wrote:
On 15 June 2014 16:49, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 6/14/2014 9:37 PM, LizR wrote:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140608-regret-rats-neuroscience-behavior-animals-science
Interesting that this experiment is all about qualia, which we're
told are ineffable and can't be possessed by computers because
they're not human.
Yes. At least we assume there are qualia involved. The experiment
only measures their "neural correlates" (since you can't ask a rat
what it's experiencing, obviously that's all they can do, of course).
However, I'm sure Bruno would be happy to allow a suitably
programmed computer to have qualia.
Noooo... I am a plastonist. I am happy enough with all the universal
numbers, from the autistic one which never 3p interact with any
others, to the vast spectrum of universal numbers swarm with
interaction and cooperation, which all exist in arithmetic.
It is not the suitably programmed computer which has the qualia (that
would be a Searle-type error), but the person who owns that computer.
A brain is only a computer which handles naturally the user's software.
On the topic, I don't think qualia are involved in that rat
experience. 3p memory situations and a relevant logic would do.
I have few doubts that rats have qualia, but I would not take such an
experience as confirming or handling that fact.
I wonder if rats scientist have regret of doing some experiences with
rats. Well, I am pretty sure some do and the rats' right progress, I
think (unless the human right lately).
Bruno
PS, it looks like I will not answer the posts in chronological order
today.
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