On 15 June 2014 22:41, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > On 15 Jun 2014, at 07:19, LizR wrote: > > On 15 June 2014 16:49, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> On 6/14/2014 9:37 PM, LizR wrote: >> >>> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140608-regret-rats- >>> neuroscience-behavior-animals-science >>> >> >> Interesting that this experiment is all about qualia, which we're told >> are ineffable and can't be possessed by computers because they're not human. >> > > Yes. At least we assume there are qualia involved. The experiment only > measures their "neural correlates" (since you can't ask a rat what it's > experiencing, obviously that's all they can do, of course). > > However, I'm sure Bruno would be happy to allow a suitably programmed > computer to have qualia. > > Noooo... I am a plastonist. I am happy enough with all the universal > numbers, from the autistic one which never 3p interact with any others, to > the vast spectrum of universal numbers swarm with interaction and > cooperation, which all exist in arithmetic. > > It is not the suitably programmed computer which has the qualia (that > would be a Searle-type error), but the person who owns that computer. A > brain is only a computer which handles naturally the user's software. >
Hmm, well in that case a suitably programmed computer can have qualia, or at least can be associated with a person who has qualia. I admit I spoke rather loosely, but there's a step in the UDA in which a person is instantiated in a computer, which is what I was thinking of. > > On the topic, I don't think qualia are involved in that rat experience. 3p > memory situations and a relevant logic would do. > I have few doubts that rats have qualia, but I would not take such an > experience as confirming or handling that fact. > > I wonder if rats scientist have regret of doing some experiences with > rats. Well, I am pretty sure some do and the rats' right progress, I think > (unless the human right lately). > I didn't know there were rat scientists! (Oh wait the Hitch-hiker's Guide has mouse scientists...) > > Bruno > > PS, it looks like I will not answer the posts in chronological order today. > Time machine malfunction? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
