On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:25, Quentin Anciaux wrote:




2014-07-14 17:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>:

On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:53, Quentin Anciaux wrote:




2014-07-14 12:09 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com>:
Why do you need to see God to believe in God?

Why should you believe if you can know ? If you can't, why should you believe instead of not believing or go eating an hamburger ?


Seeing might make you know *that* you see, but it does not entail that you know *what* you see, as you might be dreaming or hallucinating.

That wasn't what I was implying... I see not point to "believe" or not "believe"... Why *shoud* I believe anyway ?


Just to clear things up, I use the common part of all "analytical definition of belief theory and knowledge theory", and in particular (knowing p) -> (believing p).

If you know that there is milk in the fridge, you believe that there is milk in the fridge.

The key difference is that the reciprocal is false. If you believe there is milk in the fridge , you can still "not know it".

Bruno






In general you believe something, not because you see it, but because it fits well with your background knowledge. I can't see the set {0, 1, 2, ...}, nor really define it, yet I hardly doubt that it makes sense, as it explains a lot of other things in which I already tend to believe (like the non existence of a bigger prime, or the existence of universal numbers, the real numbers, etc.).

Bruno





Quentin


On 14-Jul-2014, at 2:14 am, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

On 7/13/2014 3:47 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Sure: "Do you believe in a theist god?"
I'd like to.

So we can keep using the word "theology" and keep some academic departments that have no subject.

This would also include political science, arts, gender studies, french literature. Are you willing to go that far, and make what doesn't build bridges or bake bread, something to be learned as a podcast? Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. Dump them all. Right?

I can point to art, people with genders, and french literature. I've run a political campaign. But I've never seen a god.

Brent

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