2014-07-15 22:10 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>:
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> On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:25, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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> 2014-07-14 17:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>:
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>> On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:53, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>> 2014-07-14 12:09 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com>:
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>>> Why do you need to see God to believe in God?
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>> Why should you believe if you can know ? If you can't, why should you
>> believe instead of not believing or go eating an hamburger ?
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>> Seeing might make you know *that* you see, but it does not entail that
>> you know *what* you see, as you might be dreaming or hallucinating.
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> That wasn't what I was implying... I see not point to "believe" or not
> "believe"... Why *shoud* I believe anyway ?
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> Just to clear things up, I use the common part of all "analytical
> definition of belief theory and knowledge theory", and in particular
> (knowing p) -> (believing p).
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> If you know that there is milk in the fridge, you believe that there is
> milk in the fridge.
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> The key difference is that the reciprocal is false. If you believe there
> is milk in the fridge , you can still "not know it".
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Well I can accept such language in mathematics where you make clear what is
meant, not in every day use.... when someone says he *believes* in god,
that's not what he meant... That's what I don't like in your approach to
insist using everyday word in everyday language *but* with your own
mathematical meaning. It's misleading you should see it.
Quentin
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> Bruno
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>> In general you believe something, not because you see it, but because it
>> fits well with your background knowledge. I can't see the set {0, 1, 2,
>> ...}, nor really define it, yet I hardly doubt that it makes sense, as it
>> explains a lot of other things in which I already tend to believe (like the
>> non existence of a bigger prime, or the existence of universal numbers, the
>> real numbers, etc.).
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>> Bruno
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>> Quentin
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>>> On 14-Jul-2014, at 2:14 am, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
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>>> On 7/13/2014 3:47 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
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>>> Sure: "Do you believe in a theist god?"
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>>> I'd like to.
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>>> *So we can keep using the word "theology" and keep some academic
>>> departments that have no subject.*
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>>> This would also include political science, arts, gender studies,
>>> french literature. Are you willing to go that far, and make what doesn't
>>> build bridges or bake bread, something to be learned as a podcast? Sauce
>>> for the goose, sauce for the gander. Dump them all. Right?
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>>> I can point to art, people with genders, and french literature. I've
>>> run a political campaign. But I've never seen a god.
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>>> Brent
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