OK, thanks. I'm still not sure what tropical means in this context, but the comment about numbers makes sense - indeed, what else can we do? Science tells us how things work, if we're lucky, but not why they exist or even what they are, so all we can end up with is measurements about which we make hypotheses, and repeat until some sort of equilibrium is reached (e.g. 97% of climate scientists agree, or a measurement exceeds 5 sigma, or whatever).
On 10 September 2014 10:17, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote: > Liz wrote: > >> *"...The zebra-fish brain imaging (Chris) is a 'physical-world' >> representation of something more than a billon times simpler than our own >> mentality (if it is right to calculate proportions). I would be happy to >> see 'adaptive behavior' - or, 'strategic awareness' in the fish brain >> examined in physico/physiological numerical data comparison only."Does not >> compute. Please resubmit your input in English. "Does it point >> to topical features? "* >> > > I can try, but it may be even worse. The 'brain-imaging" uses only > numerical data from physico - physiological measurements within our present > scientific > techniques. - The last sentence you separated belongs to this: I don't > know about topical differences to understand the measured NUMBERS as to > their meaning. We can guess. > Sorry for the typo *b*illion vs.* m*illion. (80,000 in 80,000,000,000) > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 5:34 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On 10 September 2014 08:56, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Liz: >>> instinctive or learned? our instincts are not 'god-given', they >>> developed by learning. >>> >> >> Yes, they are a form of genetic learning. >> >> >>> Then you use my favorite put-down word: "adaptive". >>> >> >> Pot, kettle. You just used a put down by calling it a put down. >> >> >>> I see no 'adaptation' as assigned to (evolutionary?) mutations. *How* >>> would a creature recognize benefit/disadvantage ratios to DECIDE what is >>> good for her? then again: *How *would the offsprings remember and FIND >>> WAYS to implement the GOOD - or eliminate the BAD (as they think of it)? >>> then - *HOW* would they do it? (These are some steps for an >>> adaptation). >>> >> >> I assume you know about natural selection, so that's one filter for genes >> to learn adaptive behaviour. Otherwise, at what I would consider a higher >> level, we have culture in various forms, from learning by imitation to the >> internet. >> >> >>> What seems (to me!) more rational: there are tendecies (pressures?) in >>> the infinite world (of which we know only a tiny fraction - but are >>> subjected to all) and our complexity responds to them as they expose >>> themselves onto us. Given the momentary status with more, or less >>> efficiency. >>> >> >> Sounds like a vague and woolly version of evolution, so (like Brent on >> many occasions) I suspect you are sounding like you disagree but actually >> agreeing. >> >> >>> The result of such change is what we may call (mutational??) adaptation >>> in the coming generations. Good, or bad. >>> >> >> Or we could stick with accepted usage and call it evolution. >> >> >>> The zebra-fish brain imaging (Chris) is a 'physical-world' >>> representation of something more than a billon times simpler than our own >>> mentality (if it is right to calculate proportions). I would be happy to >>> see 'adaptive behavior' - or, 'strategic awareness' in the fish brain >>> examined in physico/physiological numerical *data* comparison only. >>> >> >> Does not compute. Please resubmit your input in English. >> >> >>> Does it point to *topical* features? >>> >> >> You mean, is the fish thinking about sun-cream? I'm afraid we can only >> conjecture at this stage. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
