On 9/18/2014 7:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 17 Sep 2014, at 23:10, meekerdb wrote:

On 9/17/2014 6:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

That does not follow, as thermostat are not universal, and in particular have no universal goal, like do anything to surivive, like amoeba and most animals and plants, which are Turing universal, and have that universal goal.

If you refer consciousness to a universal goal, the goal of the genome is to 
reproduce.

I don't know that.

Then you reject Darwinian evolution.

Perahps that is true for the first genome, but the goal seems more like "to reproduce in a complex environement, which will indeed need that universality.



In fact you could even say that individual genes have a goal of reproducing, increasing in number, even at the expense of other genes on the same genome.

There is obviously some cooperation too. Even some sacrifices.

But those are anthropomorphic metaphors. Genes just make copies of themselves and those that make the most are the ones that exist.

Brent
"A chicken is just an eggs way of making another egg."
    --- Helena Cronin

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