RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

['Chris de Morsella' via Everything List]

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:59 AM
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Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to 
dialectics?

 

 

On 03 Jan 2015, at 07:17, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:





 

 

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Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:44 PM
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Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to 
dialectics?

 

On 1/2/2015 9:05 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote:

Even if the word "exists" has no use because everything exists, it seems 
important to know why everything exists.  How is it that a thing can exist?  
What I suggest is that a grouping defining what is contained within is an 
existent entity.  Then, you can use this to try and answer the other question 
of "Why is there something rather than nothing?".


If everything exists, what doesn't exist?  Nothing.

 

If nothing existed; would it remain nothing?

 

Careful not confusing "Nothing exists" and "Nothing exist".

 

In the first case, something exists. But not necessarily in the second case. 

 

Okay… I see you point. “Nothing Exist” is a hard abstraction to wrap the mind 
around and the mind will try like hell to give nothing a kind of existence 
because it is so impossibly hard to even imagine the former.

 

Of course not everything exists a priori. There is no divisors of zero 
different from zero, 

 

>>nor is there a cat-dog, 

 

Not yet in our universe, but what about in fifty years from now would it remain 
beyond our technical reach to fuse the DNA of a cat and a dog to create this 
radical hybrid? Would it always fight with itself… would it bark or meow J

I take your point however.

 

nor is there a triangle with four sides.

 

 

Then with mechanism, we can, assume that what exist are simply the numbers 0, 
s(0), s(s(0)), etc.

 

I don’t think you are referring to set notation.. the empty set being {}. So by 
“s(0)” do you mean an operation taking zero? A specific operation perhaps: 0, 
sum(0), sum(sum(0)) etc. ?

It seems so but I am not sure.

 

Then all the rest, God included, is part of a persistent number hallucination, 
but "hallucination" should not be used as "unreal", because the hallucination 
is real, and is what makes our lives, and there is no reason to dismiss them at 
all. 

 

The math makes this clear too by distinguish the 

 

ontical existence  Ex P(x)  and only 0, s(0), ... exists in that sense

 

and the many and quite variate rich phenomenological existence: whcih are 
obtained with the modal points of view, like []Ex[]P(x), with [] being the box 
of self-reference logic and its many intensional variants (which distinguish 
basicall all science (biology, psychology, physics, even theology).

 

It is intuitive to me how a vastly deep self-referential recursion of math 
could generate all manner of sublime subtle effects at some far remove from the 
basic fundamental math underlying the self-referential edifice. 

-Chris

 

Bruno

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





-Chris

Brent

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