On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:13 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 1/19/2015 10:40 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > >> >> On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:42, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> With the definition you gave in a preceding post, and with which I agree, >> everyone believe in some God. The question is always: which one? And where >> it does come from, and why. >> >> >> All philosophers and most scientists have some idea about what is >> fundamental reality - but (unless they are theologians) they recognize it >> is just a working hypothesis. I'd say most people don't even think about >> it enough to have a definite opinion. >> >> >> Well, it might be about time. Many people don't think to this, because >> we abandonned the subject to professional brainwashers since a long time. >> Most people are just not interested in fundamental science. Usually >> people like to take things for granted, and dislike doubting everything, as >> Descartes knew already we have to do if we search truth. >> > > The more I think about it, the more I doubt that these subjects were > simply "abandoned" in an innocent fashion. The problem is that beliefs > about fundamental reality are at the foundations of political power, and > the powerful know this, even if only intuitively. > > > Of course, religion was invented as a socializing tool. God watched > everybody before Big Brother had the techology. God answered all questions > and defined right and wrong. > It is a reasonable hypothesis, but nobody knows this for sure. I don't think it's the whole story. Another aspect might be the need for meaning, especially in tragic situations. I find this quite interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_cognition#Death_ritual > > > > When atheist politicians say that we must respect the Vatican, they are > agreeing on some border of power. > > > ?? What "atheist politicians". In the U.S. an admitted atheist couldn't > get elected dog-catcher. Atheists are the only group less trusted than > Muslims. > Right. They exist in Europe. But pick whichever religious sensibilities you like, my point was that public belief = power. I think you might agree. > > > They are saying, ok we can't have absolute power but we can negotiate > peace with the Vatican. > > The subtlety is that there is now a very powerful religion which has no > name but is profoundly materialistic. I think you intuit its existence, and > were perhaps a victim of it, by the suppression of your thesis. > > > It's the Illuminati? Richard Dawkins and Dan Dennett are out to get you? > Come on, that's silly. It's the alien reptilians of course. Telmo. > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
