On 26 Jan 2015, at 01:52, meekerdb wrote:

On 1/25/2015 3:02 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
Here is the big sell, then. You have to somehow demonstrate to the human race that we are a universal person. Best of British, old son! The math alone maybe will convince another mathematician, but without your guiding values, they will fail to see the big picture we are sketching here, and instead will prefer to slap you down for it!

But that's exactly the problem. There are no "guiding values" in the math. Bruno holds values I share and so he reads into his theory nice ideas I approve of - but I don't think they are entailed by the math, or the logic, and I suspect they can't be.

Some can, if you agree with some definition, which is always need when we apply a theory.





If you can't even derive physics and Darwinian evolution,

Well, the point is that we must (assuming mechanism), and the proposition theology, including the propositional physics, is already extracted, even if not yet exploited, as the math are not that simple, and the theorem p^rovers should be optimized, etc.




how can you hope to derive anti-abortion laws or polygamy or legalizing heroin?

You can derive that such choice concerns only you and your possible shaman that you choose, and that nobody can enforce you without "serious" evidence of possibility of harm. People agree so much that indeed all medication illegality have been shown today based on non genuine evidences but only simple lies and error of logic and statistics.





Brent
“How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will have been all of these.”
      --- George Washington Carver


No problem with this.


Bruno





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