> On 23 Jan 2015, at 4:06 pm, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> On 1/22/2015 7:58 PM, Kim Jones wrote: >> >> >> >> On 23 Jan 2015, at 2:15 pm, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >> >>>> On 1/22/2015 6:57 PM, Kim Jones wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 Jan 2015, at 10:24 am, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> On 1/22/2015 9:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 21 Jan 2015, at 20:27, meekerdb wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/21/2015 3:48 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>>>>>>>> If you completely discard the concept of "truth" and replace it >>>>>>>>> entirely with "evolutionary usefulness" - does that change anything? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think it might. For example, suppose we all share the same >>>>>>>> consciousness. It is evolutionary useful to maintain the illusion that >>>>>>>> this is not the case (thus my previous rant). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you "start with consciousness" then it is fundamental that >>>>>>> consciousness if not shared - otherwise I'd be conscious of it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess you mean "is not shared". >>>>>> >>>>>> But are you not conscious right now, we do share the experience of being >>>>>> conscious, even if we don't share the exact same relative contents. >>>>> >>>>> But I'm not conscious of you being conscious. >>>>> >>>>> Brent >>>> >>>> You are. Here you kid yourself. Even without comp we can say you are >>>> deluding yourself here. You have "mirror neurons" which link your >>>> consciousness to that of another. You cannot experience the experience of >>>> another but you will come as close to experiencing it as you can without >>>> actually experiencing it - via mirror neurons. >>>> >>>> If something like mirror neurons were not present in the human brain, >>>> nobody would bother with anyone else at all as humans would not be in any >>>> way interesting to one another and everyone would revert to their visceral >>>> mistrust of one another. > > How about mirror gonads? I think that'd work too.
Just watch someone receive a swift kick to the gonads and try to resist crossing your legs > >>>> >>>> If you have ever watched a porno and found yourself getting aroused by >>>> what the people onscreen were doing - that's mirror neurons at work. We >>>> are all one person sharing one vast, utterly vast consciousness. >>> >>> They link my neurons to others the same way they link my neurons to rocks - >>> through perception. You do realize when watching a porno that it's an >>> image on a screen. No neurons are involved, except yours. >>> >> >> But neurons were clearly involved by others in the making of the image by >> the participants onscreen, clearly. You are introducing the time postulate >> which would seem to break the link between the two consciousnesses. I don't >> think it does. The information about neuronal excitation (hence >> consciousness) is present however, EVEN when it's only a movie. > > Information about bodily positions is usually in the video - but information > about neuronal excitations? Was that there in the visuals before anybody > knew about neurons? > > Brent Yes. But how else could perception work except via pattern recognition which comes across in films? The film invites you to 'recognise' an experience you are having which is describes by the contents of the film. The film does not describe something external to,you. The film describes your experience as you watch the film. Before anybody knew about neurons, people still had neurons and they worked. The point is - using porn as an example (you could of course use anything involving the self witnessing someone else's experience of something, even torture) that you vicariously experience someone else's experience which makes you a participant in that experience at another level of meaning which is perhaps the whole point of it. You undergo a delayed parallel neuronal excitation process. You don't need to be up on neuroscience to understand why porn has an effect, or watching base-jumping clips or whatever rings your bell. It's all to do with shared consciousness - in this case via a VR simulation for you of what you want to experience. Kim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
