On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 4 February 2015 at 12:59, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > As I understand it, being an epiphenomenon means one can give a causal
> > account of the phenomenon without mentioning it.  But the epiphenomenon
> > necessarily accompanies the phenomenon.  In the case of consciousness
> it's
> > essentially denying the possibility of a philosophical zombie.
>
> Yes, that's how I would put it.
>
>
>
What Brent describes sounds more like emergence to me than epiphenominalism.

See how epiphenominalism is decribed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphenomenalism and
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/epiphenomenalism/

Perhaps all of our disagreement comes down to operating under different
definitions?

Jason

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