On 4/20/2015 3:51 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
/ once day by day survival is solved, people need a meaning./

If it works for them why is it your problem?


That is why modern people put his life at risk in extreme sports and so on: short term risk evade from existential vacuum.

2015-04-20 12:49 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com <mailto:agocor...@gmail.com>>:

    The amazing thing is how what would happen in 100 trillion years may 
preoccupy so
    seriously to some people that would induce to suicide. Boltzman committed 
suicide in
    part because his own theories of termodinamical dead of the universe more 
or less.


Nonsense. He was in poor health and he had long suffered drastic swings in mood. Today he would be diagnosed as bipolar. He also had reason to be depressed because his ideas were rejected on the Continent. They were considered crazy because it was obviously impossible to derive irreversible processes from reversible physics.


    Other people are influenced equally hard, but unconsciously by very long 
term
    perspectives that are beyond his own timespan.

    And this tells something very important about the human condition: once day 
by day
    survival is solved, people need a meaning. that means that he need to live 
in a
    society with a plan and to work for this plan, which is a kind of 
salvation. This is
    in the constitution of human beings, induced by evolution if you like, but 
it is
    there no doubt. suicide means that the person think unconsciously that it 
can not
    contribute.


Yes, I think that is more accurate than suicide over thermodynamics. Boltzmann's successor Paul Ehrenfest also committed suicide and also suffered severe depression. Ehrenfest was always very critical of himself. After arranging for the care of his other children, he shot his Down syndrome son and then himself.

Brent

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