Uncertainty is not the same than the certainty of obliteration, as Boltzmann I suppose that he felt. Freemann Dyson tried to overcome the Boltzmannian conclussions not for a intellectual exercise, but as a serious treat to the vital perspectives of people here and now.
Uncertainty is not depressing, it is encouraging. Makes you to be more alert. Makes you to bet in some outcomes, fight against the plans of others. Commenting in what you say, Nobody know what will happen. You reach prepature conclussions based on your local environment, The idea that the future is to one wold government exist since Atila or since the first tribeman holded the first stone. But it seems that very powerful people has endorsed it. If I were super-powerful and rich and I were the kind of enlightened idiot with stone-age morality that is very common today, I would consider the planet as a my yard and would work for maintaining this yard for my own family intact for generations, with my family in power: clean, ordered and with as little populace as possible. I also would fight for a world government where... Ahem, I would better take the responsibility of caring for you. 2015-04-24 0:36 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com>: > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> The amazing thing is how what would happen in 100 trillion years may >> preoccupy so seriously to some people that would induce to suicide. >> Boltzman committed suicide in part because his own theories of >> termodinamical dead of the universe more or less. >> >> Other people are influenced equally hard, but unconsciously by very long >> term perspectives that are beyond his own timespan. >> >> And this tells something very important about the human condition: once >> day by day survival is solved, people need a meaning. that means that he >> need to live in a society with a plan and to work for this plan, which is a >> kind of salvation. >> > > I agree with this. > > The problem is that technological progress invalidates previous social > constructs. For example, for a long time the concept of nation-state > provided such a society. The concept of nation-state does not seem able to > survive modern communication and transportation technologies. Things will > only get weirder with VR and so on. > > What then? > > >> This is in the constitution of human beings, induced by evolution if you >> like, but it is there no doubt. suicide means that the person think >> unconsciously that it can not contribute. we are very egoistic in the short >> term, but in the long term we are like ants. this is too fast but I can >> argue in detail about all of this >> >> 2015-04-20 0:04 GMT+02:00 LizR <lizj...@gmail.com>: >> >>> In my opinion extensive Dysonisation will only occur later in the >>> stelliferous era - in the 100 trillion years when the galaxy (and the few >>> others still visible in the far distance) glow rose-red from having a >>> population exclusively made of stellar remnants and M class dwarfs. At this >>> point some species may have made it through the "evolutionary heritage" >>> bottleneck (have conquered the desire to consume endlessly and to wipe out >>> rivals, I mean) - plus, it will be a lot more obvious that the universe's >>> resources are running low, and conservation is in order. >>> >>> Riffing... >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Alberto. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
