How many people die for the conventional energy production? I would not believe the statistical figments. Are e.g. all those people included who died from diseases upon pollution from burning? Can anybody predict what kind of (Fukushima-type) disasters may occur in the foreseeable future and their toll? The environmental toll of hydroelectric construction and propagation? Who knows the radiation-induced toll if Solar energy steps up with all the new metallic products for the cells? The 'serving' industries must be accountable in a statistical toll of the product industry! Did the statistics include the preparatory processes for the proper energy production, e.g. transportation, drilling/mining/fracking, metallurgy and the extensive plastis production(s) needed for the energy plant operations? (Usually the electric car propaganda articles omit the environmental toll of the electricity-production, only the reduced 'oil' need is harangued). JM
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 2:13 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > > *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: > everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John Clark > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2015 6:55 PM > *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: SciAm predicts strong future for renewable energy > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, Fukushima, Sellafield, Hiroshima, Bikini > atoll, Marshall Islands etc. (OK, maybe I shouldn't have been making jokes > about this...) > > > > That's fine I like jokes, but lets see how many people die to produce a > trillion kilowatt hours of electricity for various energy sources: > > > > I like jokes as well… we have something in common. I also like honesty. > The 90 figure you claim for nuclear is willfully ignoring the full scope > of the long term impact of that accident. > > Quoting directly from the 2005 WHO report on Chernobyl accident “*5 > SEPTEMBER 2005 | GENEVA -* A total of up to 4000 people could eventually > die of radiation exposure from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant (NPP) > accident nearly 20 years ago, an international team of more than 100 > scientists has concluded.” The Russian, Ukrainian, Belarussian Academies > of science have all published mortality figures are by the far higher than > the figure of 4000 that the WHO has settled on. For example: data, based on > Belarus national cancer statistics, predicts approximately 270,000 cancers > and 93,000 fatal cancer cases caused by Chernobyl. > > Chris > > > > For coal 170.000 people die. > > > > For oil 36,000 people die > > > > For biofuel 24,000 people die > > > > For natural gas 4000 people die > > > > For hydroelectric 1400 people die > > > > For solar 440 people die > > > > For wind 140 people die > > > > For nuclear 90 people die. > > > > John K Clark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
