On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 04:28:16PM +1200, LizR wrote: > On 12 May 2015 at 15:18, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au> wrote: > > > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 03:06:49PM +1200, LizR wrote: > > > On 12 May 2015 at 14:14, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Why would we assume that it wouldn't make a difference? That has never > > > > been made clear. > > > > > > > > For the same reason the calculator repeats the same calculation given > > the > > > same starting state and inputs. This is surely inherent in the nature of > > > computation? It doesn't matter how large (or small) the computation is, > > > it's deterministic (unless the machine breaks down) and should behave in > > > exactly the same way on each run. > > > > They are different computations, so by comp supervenience, the quales > > could be different, or they might not. > > > > You mean they are different computations because they occur at different > times? Everything else is identical, to start with (in the first stage of > the MGA, I mean - we only convert the computation being rerun into a > recording one step at a time, I think, so before we can get anywhere we > have to agree that the first step works, which is just to re-run the same > computation using recorded inputs. But so far there doesn't even seem to be > agreement on that, unless I've misunderstood.) >
The recording is a distinctly different computation, because they do not behave identically on all counterfactuals. > > > > > I didn't understand what you meant about the quale. Which systems are you > > > referring to? > > > > The observer and its environment. It is plausible that all observers > > observe something, or all quales are about something. I'm suggesting > > that could give leverage into asserting that a constant computation > > (the type that a recording is) cannot instantiate a conscious moment. > > > > OK, I think I see. Although I don't see that a recording is even a constant > computation (or only to the extent that everything is, assuming physics is). > It is a constant because it produces the same result on all inputs. Think constant function - like the function f(x)=1. Cheers -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
