Here is another out of the box thinker, Telmo, that has published a book of course. He is a prof at Stanford University, with a view unlike anything I can recall covering this topic. Like Lomborg, or Matt Ridley. A WaPo article, none the less!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/in-the-long-run-wars-make-us-safer-and-richer/2014/04/25/a4207660-c965-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html -----Original Message----- From: Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Fri, May 15, 2015 5:52 pm Subject: Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism! Thanks. The story, as told by him, sound quite appalling. I googled him to see other sides of the story and found this: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2015/may/15/how-conservatives-lost-the-plot-over-the-rejection-of-bjorn-lomborg Which is just political drivel... Conservatives blah blah blah, shark jump, losing the plot yada yada. These people really like their clichés. However, there's some evidence of cherrypicking on the part of Lomborg: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2015/apr/23/australia-paying-4-million-for-bjrn-lomborgs-flawed-methods-that-downgrade-climate-change On one hand, Lomborg looks a bit shady to me. On the other, the increasing tendency for suppression of dissent in academia is quite troubling (not just on climate issues). Oh well. I guess there's nothing good in this world that politics won't turn into shit. On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:58 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: here is the article, Telmo, linked by Lomborg's own site. Good reading. http://www.lomborg.com/news/the-honor-of-being-mugged-by-climate-censors Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -----Original Message----- From: spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Fri, May 15, 2015 02:53 PM Subject: Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism! Crap Telmo, because its WSJ, its a paywall for cut and pastes. Basically Lomborg got dogged because he by some aussie academics, because be went against their holy conclusions. I am and admirer of John Kennedy, even though he made nearly lethal mistakes for the world, in foreign policy. A quote, "don't get mad, get even." I hope Lomborg does. He might just have with this unseen WSJ article. I will send a site link which will show the full article. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -----Original Message----- From: Telmo Menezes < te...@telmomenezes.com> To: everything-list < everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Fri, May 15, 2015 11:22 AM Subject: Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism! Hi! Most of the article is behind a paywall for me... Cheers Telmo. On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:43 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: Hello from the US. Here is an article by the WSJ, by Bjorn Lomborg, speaking to the climate cult ideology, that pervades acadamia. Like Lomborg, I have to believe in GW, but it ain't climate catastrophe, as the red-greens now choose to label it. Like Lomborg, I believe there are things we can to to mitigate it. In any case, here is a link to Lomborg's article (hoping it works, sans fee). http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-honor-of-being-mugged-by-climate-censors-1431558936 Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -----Original Message----- From: Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Fri, May 15, 2015 07:52 AM Subject: Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism! On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:21 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: On 15 May 2015 at 21:38, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:07 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: On 13 May 2015 at 21:30, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: Clouds, especially high clouds have some effect. They reflect visible bands back to space and they also absorb and reemit IR. Low clouds tend to increase heat load because they reflect in the day, but they insulate day and night. It's not magic, it's just calculation. Of course, I am not suggesting it's anything else. My question is about complex interactions between these several phenomena. Does a change in the composition of the atmosphere affect cloud formation? In what ways? Does temperature? Is the idea that we shouldn't do anything because we haven't got a perfect model of the atmosphere? Is it unreasonable to ask for evidence and serious risk analysis before messing with the energy supply chain that keeps 7 billion people alive? Of course it isn't. Such risk analysis has been done, and it appears around 97% of the most competent people available in the field think the risks caused by the rising CO2 levels are more dangerous than the risks of doing nothing about them. Ok, I wouldn't be surprised if you are right. I only claim ignorance, and ask questions when something looks fishy. I also care about science more than anything else, so arguments around what "97% of the most competent people" think mean nothing to me. For me, that is politician speak. Consensus are easy to manufacture, even in science. I care about correct predictions and a good understanding of the mechanisms. What makes these people so competent? Have they created models that led to correct predictions? This is all just intellectual curiosity anyway. My opinion on the matter has no importance whatsoever. I don't even vote. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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