Crap Telmo, because its WSJ, its a paywall for cut and pastes. Basically
Lomborg got dogged because he by some aussie academics, because be went against
their holy conclusions. I am and admirer of John Kennedy, even though he made
nearly lethal mistakes for the world, in foreign policy. A quote, "don't get
mad, get even." I hope Lomborg does. He might just have with this unseen WSJ
article. I will send a site link which will show the full article.
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Hi!
Most of the article is behind a paywall for me...
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Hello from the US. Here is an article by the WSJ, by Bjorn Lomborg, speaking to
the climate cult ideology, that pervades acadamia. Like Lomborg, I have to
believe in GW, but it ain't climate catastrophe, as the red-greens now choose
to label it. Like Lomborg, I believe there are things we can to to mitigate it.
In any case, here is a link to Lomborg's article (hoping it works, sans fee).
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</span> Clouds, especially high clouds have some effect. They reflect visible
bands back to space and they also absorb and reemit IR. Low clouds tend to
increase heat load because they reflect in the day, but they insulate day and
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Of course, I am not suggesting it's anything else.
My question is about complex interactions between these several phenomena.
Does a change in the composition of the atmosphere affect cloud formation? In
what ways? Does temperature?
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Is the idea that we shouldn't do anything because we haven't got a perfect
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Is it unreasonable to ask for evidence and serious risk analysis before
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Of course it isn't. Such risk analysis has been done, and it appears around
97% of the most competent people available in the field think the risks caused
by the rising CO2 levels are more dangerous than the risks of doing nothing
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Ok, I wouldn't be surprised if you are right. I only claim ignorance, and ask
questions when something looks fishy. I also care about science more than
anything else, so arguments around what "97% of the most competent people"
think mean nothing to me. For me, that is politician speak. Consensus are easy
to manufacture, even in science. I care about correct predictions and a good
understanding of the mechanisms. What makes these people so competent? Have
they created models that led to correct predictions?
This is all just intellectual curiosity anyway. My opinion on the matter has
no importance whatsoever. I don't even vote.
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