On 10 June 2015 at 20:38, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

>
> On 10 Jun 2015, at 01:42, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
>  LizR wrote:
>>
>>> On 10 June 2015 at 01:11, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au
>>> <mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>>    That is less difficult that you might think. Consciousness
>>>    supervenes on the physical brain
>>> So (a) what actually is consciousness?, and (b) what is the answer to
>>> Maudlin and the MGA?
>>>
>>
>> Consciousness is that which you lose under anaesthesia, or a sufficiently
>> severe blow to the head. Like many things, it is defined ostensively.
>>
>
Meaning you can point to it, but have no idea what it is. OK.

>
>> It is not clear what you mean when you as what it actually is? Do you
>> want a fully mechanistic account? Or a philosophical account? Or a
>> neurological account? Or a personal account?
>>
>
It isn't me who wants it. You said "consciousness supervenes on the brain"
so I assumed you knew what you were talking about.

>
>> What is the question of Maudlin and the MGA? Is a recording conscious?
>> Produce one of the required type (a complete and accurate recording of
>> normal conscious brain activity) and ask it.
>>
>
You should read Maudlin's paper (and Bruno's of course) they aren't very
long, and then you will be up to speed on the arguments being employed.

Both these arguments are against physical supervenience, in different ways.

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