If this "John" is me: to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife?
A reasonable person should run away from such inhumanity, especially after our centuries of enlightenment. Thanks for reflecting John M On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 11:22 PM, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote: > John, > I wonder if you were studying the scriptures / ideologies as well? I get > the impression that you were studying the human condition: the results of > (mis)interpretations and (mis)applications of religions / ideologies and > naturally being revolted by it! > Throughout history, humans have pursued wealth, power, pleasures: desires > which within moral limits are permissible and constructive for the > evolution of society, yet humans have mostly transgressed all bounds and > have caused much suffering. What humans don't seem to understand is that > their actions are essentially self-destructive. According to my study of > the scriptures, time and again, whenever human civilisations advanced to > the point of self-destruction, the Most Compassionate, True God has > intervened, first by sending His Messengers and His Scriptures to warn > humans about their self-destructive actions, and then saving humanity by > wiping out those criminals who were bent upon destroying the world. > If, for a while, you can suspend the notion that we are the most advanced > that humans have ever been, and the notion that God is a terrible, > heartless person that people imagine; perhaps a (re)read of the scriptures > will help you realise that God is indeed the Most Kind and Most Loving, and > enable you to appreciate His Commandments as those which guide humans to > protect themselves from harm, lead to better their condition and enable > them to build a beautiful future! > Our world is also advancing towards self-destruction, all in the name of > progress, and we are setting humanity up for much harm and suffering. I > believe that since the last Messenger (Mohammad) and the last Scripture > (Quran) have arrived, now the time for humanity 'brief stay' on Earth is > coming towards its end. People of many faiths, including Muslims, are > awaiting the arrival of the Anti-Christ / Beast. It is stated in the Quran: > And when (is) fulfilled the word against them, We will bring forth for them > a creature from the earth speaking to them, that the people were, of Our > Signs, not certain. [http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/27/82/ ] > However, as each one of us is in pledge for our own beliefs and deeds, so > there is still hope for salvation and eternal bliss! God promises to help > and guide those who WILL faith and submit to God's guidance. > > Samiya > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:12 AM, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Samiya: >> I was learning about Communism (30s and 50s) and I disliked it because of >> unjust cruelty against certain people. (Rakosi, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.) >> I was learning about Nazism (40s) and I dislliked it because of unjust >> cruelty against certain people. (Hitler, Skin-Heads, Szalasi, etc.) >> I am learning about Islam (10s) and I dislike it because of unjust >> cruelty against certain people. (IS and Saudi beheadings, etc.) >> In my studies I also learned about Catholicism and I disliked it becuase >> the unjust (dogmatic?) cruelty against certain people in the Inquisition >> etc. >> I learned about Judaism and disliked it because unjust cruelty against >> women. It also invoked the cruelty of anti-semites against themselves. >> I did not learn enough about Hinduism and Buddhism to dislike them, too. >> I dislike the "new slaverism" (=capitalism) and "new feudalism" (= global >> misunderstanding of what may be a democracy). >> JM >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I suppose you can call it that :) >>> People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings, >>> queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of Muslims. Just >>> presenting the original document for any who might want to check for >>> themselves. >>> Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will >>> object anyway. >>> >>> Samiya >>> >>> On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List < >>> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> Doing Dawa? 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