Is the War Against Terrorism World War IV ? 2015-07-14 12:51 GMT-03:00 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com>:
> > > > > *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: > everything-list@googlegroups.com] > *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2015 8:56 AM > *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: ISIS The Start of World War III? > > > > My issue is that yes, at this point ISIS seem to present no domestic > danger, however leaders of the word have continuously underestimated their > successes. Italy may be their next target, or Spain in a Re-Conquista of > their own. Moreover, this ideology is not in its actions, alone in the > Islamic world. But they are, for propaganda purposes, the most honest, and > clear, and yes, successful. > > > > A terrorist act here and there in Italy, Spain or France (or ANYWHERE) – > and that is all ISIS is capable of, even at a stretch – does not cause the > targeted society to crumble in abject submission. You mention re-concquista > – I ask you where is this re-conquista?, outside of the talk shows it is > mentioned on. > > > > So, what to do? Nobody (astonishingly) is asking my advice on this, or any > other matter, which is shocking to me. Having said this, I am supposing > that bad Ju-Ju is on the way, because of western weaknesses (my perception) > and prepare. It may not be ISIS that does the dirty dead, whatever "deed" > that is, but ISIS, like an aggressive, secondary disease, will take > advantage of a weakened immune system. You seem to have a lot of interest > in energy, of course, so if I were you, I'd focus on saving your own behind > in the midst of an "unplanned" power outage, that PGE, or Seattle Power and > Light, will not resolve for weeks, for this seems to be a juicy target, > I'd wager. I am an apartment dweller so following this advice myself > (however hypocritical) is unwise. > > > > A single solar flare of the intensity of the super flare that was recorded > in the late 1800s would set up an induced current that would short out > entire grid, blowing transformers. This is something that actually can > happen (in fact it HAS happened less than 150 years ago) and would have far > more disastrous consequences for our society. Are we doing anything to > protect ourselves from this very real threat? Not much, as far as I can > see; hardening the grid will cost many billions of dollars, and unless > mandated this money will not be spent. So we continue on exposed to this – > actual real threat (as opposed to the bogey man threats you seem to love to > focus on). This is just a single example of our societal myopia. > > > > The world will follow the Stronger Horse, so if ISIS goes from strength to > strength, > > But ISIS is not going from strength to strength – Syrian/Hezbollah forces > are rolling it back from the west; Kurdish forces (+Iranian supported Iraqi > forces) are enjoying some success in the east (it is mixed, because the > Iraqi army is a shambles). ISIS is not strong. Don’t confuse brutality with > strength; Iran can take care of ISIS (and will, defeating the Saudi attempt > (for what is ISIS?) at interjecting itself into the arc of conflict now > centered in Syria. > > > > the Europeans will cut a deal with them, once ISIS gains more territory, > gets more cash, recruits more cash, whatever it takes. If not ISIS than Al > Qaeda, if not Al Qaeda, then Iranian Mullahs > > Iran has never supported messianic global terrorist movements; Hezbollah > for example is a very kind of organization than say AL Qaida or ISIS (which > it is on the front line of fighting) > > > > (check today's news! If not Iran, maybe Pakistan, if not Pakistan, North > Korea, if not North Korea, then a nice war in the Pacific with China, if > not China, then Putin. Maybe all of them at once, once we lose a city or > three, afterwards. The majority of of our species despises the weak, and I > accept this, but do not condone this. Just thinking of what anthropologists > have demonstrated. > > > > I highly suggest you take a vacation from war fever it is unhealthy. China > and the US are not about to get into any war – it would be far to costly > for both sides and both sides know this! All the posturing in the South > China Sea may make for large headlines, but it will not trigger an actual > large scale war. Now the Ukraine is another story – though this is mostly a > nightmare for the Ukrainians themselves. > > > > > > If the US has all this power, we surely have applied it wrong, or the > political will to use it against bad actors. > > > > I wonder if you fully grasp just how much power even a single US aircraft > carrier group can project. I am speaking of real military power – not > terrorist rag tag actions of militarily insignificant actors such as ISIS. > Terrorism is the weapon of the weak; it is no sign of strength! > > > > The extinction that you refer to could be alleviated with better energy > systems, and better housing systems. > > Could be perhaps, but it isn’t being! > > > > The richer people are, the lighter the environmental footprint. > > That is BS! The US for example has a far higher per capita footprint than > India or China or Africa or South America. > > > > Do realize, that the elites have do stomach to do this either yet-have you > noticed? There are great energy ideas but for some magical reason they > don't get traction. It reflects the same irresolution on dealing with > international totalitarianism. No will, no guts, > > > > The world is run to produce short term profits for central global money > banks; as long as this remains the driver; world affairs will continue on > as they have, bouncing from regional war to regional war (war is good > business, for the death merchants and the death bankers) > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> > To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2015 5:41 pm > Subject: RE: ISIS The Start of World War III? > > No… not underestimating the vindictiveness of ISIS (and their ilk) at all; > nor am I disputing that ISIS are vindictive vicious monsters, actually. > > This particular flourishing of assembled psychotic insane assholes most > certainly do suffer an extreme delusional messianic medieval minded hatred > of all others and are vindictive in the extreme. I harbor no doubts that > they would slit my throat – in their psychosis claiming it was for Allah -- > if they could. > > I however do question their long term viability as an organization and > movement – even within the regional context within which they operate. For > example, even Al Qaeda itself is becoming increasingly critical of ISIS and > its barbaric brutality! When, even the preeminent jihadi global movement is > finding their acts to be horrific and unjustifiable you got to question > their long term viability as a movement! > > I also question their strategic/tactical/logistical reach and doubt that > they can do much more than potentially causing a few sporadic terrorist > attacks here and there in the Western world and elsewhere (Africa, Asia for > example). A terrorist attack, even one of the hyper scale of 911 (which is > historically very rare), horrific as it may be (and I witnessed 911 up > close and personal – was in Princeton NJ at the time and the aftermath was > something I will never forget!), but yet still poses no existential > strategic challenge for our nation. Our nation will not crumble or be > destroyed as an effective fighting force because of something of this > nature. Actually the opposite result would ensue! The USA has continental > scale strategic depth, global military, political, cultural and economic > reach. A ragtag upstart psychopath jihadist brand name – e.g. ISIS – poses > no actual existential threat to the US. > > And that IS my point! > > My corollary to this is that our planet is currently facing real actual > existential threats, which we can do something about – both in terms of > mitigating our impact and restoring the health of this planets living > systems. Few people like to consider that we are living at the kickoff of > one of our planets greatest extinction events – ever in its geologic > history; an extinction event that promises to be on par with the one that > killed most of the non-avian dinosaurs. This extinction event is triggering > the beginning of a new epoch for this planet – like all the great > extinction events that have preceded it. Each extinction event gives rise > to a new era; our particular extinction event is being given the name > Anthropocene – it is in our honor. For we, our species and the actions of > our species, we are the driving causal factor that is at the base of this > wave of planetary dying, which is going on right now. > > I find this great wave of planetary dying; of species extinction (which is > occurring at a far higher rate than the historical average over the past > say ten million years)… I personally am far more troubled and concerned by > this, than I am by a regional group of medieval psychopaths in some far > away land. > > For me it is the principal of correctly stack ranking actual real threats > to our future in an ordering that actually makes sense – in a qualitative, > real world, fact based manner. > > What are the real threats to our future? To humanity’s potential to > achieve a transformational leap into becoming a multi-planetary, solar > system spanning resource based, micro-gravity space (La Grange point) based > industrial society! > > If you want to stop ISIS, shine a bright light on Turkey, Saudi > Arabia/Kuwait/Gulf States, Israel and other regional actors who are behind > ISIS. Without these other actors (not so) covert support ISIS would crumble. > > -Chris > > > > > > > > *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [ > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com > <everything-list@googlegroups.com?>] > *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2015 11:51 AM > *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: ISIS The Start of World War III? > > > > All well and good, but I am surmising that you underestimate the > vindictiveness from others, who see life differently than yourself. For > instance, the European epoch of imperialism, which we all know about, is > shameful look backwards for the Europeans. For the Islamic expansions of > the 7th century, the move into the Indian subcontinent, the push into > southeast asia, are considered a glorious time for the Uma. It is > considered a thing of great pride. The re-establishment of the Caliphate, > would get the community back into the grace of Allah, and its return would > be a sign from God that He is smiling down, and is pleased by His people. > > You and I don't agree with this point of view, but I respect that this > view is their "truth." I accept it as I must accept a natural calamity like > an earthquake of a plague. If you are asking whether it will be ISIS puling > the trigger on the Qufar? It might happen that way, and they do sell oil, > so they have finance. They also have audacity, which sometimes wins the > day. But I am not planning US foreign policy or am a defense department > analyst. I do know that if one despises somebody intensely, enough, they > will go for the jugular. > > There are different ways to defend the country. One would be applied green > energy systems, at first for emergencies like power outages, another, would > be to yes, do the shale thing, but also consider methane powered vehicles, > and yes biogas powered vehicles and homes. This could be a national program > and worth paying for, and thus, better insulate the US, or Australia, > Japan, etc, from let us say, the closure of the straight of Hormuz. > > Remember, the question was originally posed about the strength of ISIS, > and I focused on the weakness of the current world leaders, and so far, > their weakness has empowered ISIS, and other actors in the world. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> > To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2015 1:57 pm > Subject: RE: ISIS The Start of World War III? > > No I am objecting to the making of ISIS into the central existential > problem that must define our times; they are a largely regional phenomenon > (with a certain internet reach resulting from their use of graphic > brutality). The planet earth has far more serious existential problems than > ISIS. > > ISIS is a side freak show – a freak show of extreme brutality for sure, > but a freak show never the less. If Saudi/Kuwaiti funding was shut off the > monster would quickly dry up and wither away. ISIS is Iraq’s problem, it is > Syria’s problem, it is Iran’s or the Kurd’s problem perhaps, but it is not > and never will amount to an existential military threat against the West. > > I do not see any good reason why our country should become even more > involved in this mess than it already is – having largely been responsible > for the creation of the conditions which led to the evolution of these > psychopath monsters in the first place. ISIS (nor anything like it) did not > exist under the Baathist regime of Saddam Hussein lest we forget; the > Baathist regime was an implacable enemy of Islamic fundamentalism; it was a > Stalinist regime in fact (a very different animal). The US (in its infinite > wisdom) utterly destroyed the Baathist regime in a series of bloody > expensive wars and a ten year long occupation of Iraq; ISIS is the > predictable blowback of Abu Ghraib and the US occupation of Iraq during the > first decade of this millennium. Now, I am not extolling the Baathist > regime as a paradigm of humanism (though woman and Christians, to cite > some examples, had far more rights and opportunity under Saddam Hussein’s > Iraq than they do in the Iraqi “freedom” the US so kindly brought to their > land). > > The US should focus more on taking care of our own country and let other > people sort out their own destinies. Let Iran handle ISIS (and to a degree > ISIS is a proxy war between the Gulf Arab regimes and the Iranians); why > should we bloody our hands in this mess? > > ISIS is no existential threat to the US and if we stood out of the way (or > as we are to some extent to continue to provide discreet logistical and air > support) Iranian and Kurdish backed forces from one side and > Syrian/Hezbollah forces from the other side will keep ISIS very well > contained. > > Those who seek to learn about the rise of ISIS need to understand the > roles played by these various regional actors prominently including: > Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia/Kuwait/Gulf states in fomenting ISIS as a tool > to destroy the Baathist Syrian regime – and seen in the larger context of > an arc of struggle between Saudi, Turkish and Iranian influence broken down > largely along sectarian lines. > > -Chris > > > > > > *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [ > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com > <everything-list@googlegroups.com?>] > *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2015 8:53 AM > *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: ISIS The Start of World War III? > > > > I don't think this is Manicheanism, You are objecting to fact that ISIS > does bad things, or that people oppose the bad things that ISIS does? The > leadership of the US especially, view passivity on the US part, as an > unalloyed virtue. On the other hand, with the president's involvement wit > Iran (read the news tomorrow) may have decided to adopt a "let em kill each > other," policy in which Sunni's and Shia, massacre each other. Perhaps with > the thought that with enough war and massacre's maybe a calm will then take > place? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> > To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 9:48 pm > Subject: RE: ISIS The Start of World War III? > > Who elected you dispenser of prizes, ignobal or otherwise…. net nanny? > > As you make clear by your own subsequent words I can see you must be a > fellow sufferer of the Manichean delusion, speaking in those exaggerated > apocalyptic tongues you types favor. > > Thanks, but no thanks… I don’t need, desire or see the fruit in your > peculiar kind of religion; mind set; world view… whatever you wish to call > it. It is not based on a rational analysis of actual geopolitical strength, > but rather appeals to irrational Manichean idiocy and lurid anecdotal tales > told over and over again. > > This world of ours is enough of a tinder box already without the added > idiocy of war mongering nutters – like ISIS as well -- wanting to ignite > another crusade/jihad. > > I hope this makes my opinion even clearer to you. > > Just in case, in typical Manichean fashion you use my complete rejection > of your hyperbolic world view, as a rhetorical hammer to try to shape me > into some kind of sympathizer or something vaguely treasonous sounding – as > your fellow crusader spudboy has in fact insinuated in my case on numerous > previous occasions – let me – a priori – make it clear that my current > complete rejection of your insane fallacy does not imply any kind of > support or tolerance of the medieval minded brutality of the murderous > lunatics of ISIS. Just so we are clear on this, and because this is a usual > rhetorical tactic that war junkies commonly use against those who publicly > oppose their agenda. > > > > Now speaking directly to your facile and childish disparaging of the term > “psychological mind ghosts”. If you actually knew the mind – instead of > merely pontificating about it, which you seem to do a lot of -- you would > know that there is quite a bit of evidence that our minds are inhabited by > numerous zombie neural processes, of which we remain consciously unaware; > these are our mind ghosts; they are ghosts in our minds. We – the conscious > self-aware part of ourselves at least -- are to a large degree informed and > formed by these dynamically evolving entities comprised of synchronized > neural firing networks. They can take dynamic movies of these neural firing > networks evolving as thoughts form and perception is perceived! If we did > not have any ghosts in our minds; would we have any minds at all? > > Those who think their self-aware minds are comprised by the narrative > voice in their heads alone, are suggestive of those who, for so long > believed the celestial bodies revolved around the earth. If, in fact, you > accept that by far most of who you are actually occurs outside of the > boundaries of your own self-aware narrative (and narrator); then why on > earth would you feel that “psychological mind ghosts” was just an insult, > worthy of your net nanny interventionist response, awarding me the most > Ignobal prize – so kind of you to do that really. > > More people die of bee stings… bathtub falls… and certainly far more > people die and become horribly wounded in traffic accidents than people > dying by this kind of terrorism; yet you seem to want to raise it up on the > altar of some bloody crusade around which we must all align ourselves > marching lemming like over the cliffs of oblivion. Excuse me, but I am > going to pass on that world view, and I will continue to ridicule it as > well; it is a world view most richly deserving of ridicule. > > Let us laugh together… for it is patently ridiculous that ISIS poses an > existential threat to the USA, or even to your own country Australia. > Unless you are living in Syria or Iraq, or somewhere that is too close to > the small region where ISIS has the logistical ability to pose a threat > then it is not a threat and to insist that it must be our most existential > cause around which we must all rally… well that just reeks of fascism to me. > > Yours truly, > > -Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [ > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com > <everything-list@googlegroups.com?>] *On Behalf Of *Kim Jones > *Sent:* Saturday, July 11, 2015 5:40 PM > *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: ISIS The Start of World War III? > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2015, at 3:09 am, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > You suffer from raving psychological mind ghosts; carefully nurtured > paranoid Manichean delusions brought upon by the ingestion of too much war > propaganda. > > > > > > "Psychological mind ghosts" - Lol. > > > > I think with that you probably score the Ignobel Prize for adjectival > abuse. SB's thinking on this is entirely rational and highly probable from > where I am. Western leaders ARE all as weak as piss. They are all screaming > for someone to come along and rip their bloody heads off with a blunt bread > knife, yes. Icke is something of a nutter, but he at least has the balls to > face the music that no one else does. > > > > Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [ > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com <everything-list@googlegroups.com>] > > *Sent:* Saturday, July 11, 2015 8:36 AM > *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: ISIS The Start of World War III? > > > > Icke is an interesting, but paranoid character. If ISIS, or any element > from the Islamic World causes a 4th world war (The Cold War was actually > WW3), then it is not any member of the Uma's fault, but instead the > weakness, the cowardice, the irresolution, of 'so called' Western leaders. > Perfection with one's fellows humans is fraught with disappointment, > because people will always disappoint. But, the leadership of the so-called > West, is so bad that it invites attack from ISIS or anyone else.As Bin > Laden said, "People like the stronger horse." Leaders here are so weak, > that if ISIS attacked, they might win. Who now knows? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> > To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 1:36 am > Subject: Fwd: ISIS The Start of World War III? > > Begin forwarded message: > > ISIS The Start of World War III? > > David Icke interview > > Video link: > http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?266299-ISIS-The-Start-of-World-War-III > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > 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