Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > > Just one remark: we cannot make a piece of matter wet in arithmetic >
I know, but why not? If arithmetic is more fundamental than physics as you say then we should be able to write a program that would get the computer wet, and yet we can't and your theory can not give an adequate explanation of why not. > > > but once we postulate computationalism, we can prove that all the piece of > computations leading to the first person experience of feeling wet, or > clenching your thirst, exist in arithmetic > C omputationalism postulates that the computations a* PHYSICAL* computer produce can create intelligent behavior and consciousness, but computationalism does *NOT* postulate that computations exist in arithmetic independent of physics. Show me a example of arithmetic all by itself making a calculation and you have won this argument, not a definition, not a proof, an *EXAMPLE*. Stop talking about it and just show me! > > I will please you and not use pronouns > > Bruno Marchal just did. > > > someone asked JC, before the duplication, what do you expect to live. JC > remarked that "you" is ambiguous. Oh, but you agreed that you will survive, > And JC responded: "Yes "you" will survive provided that "you" is defined as somebody who remembers being a man in Helsinki, but if that personal pronoun is defined in some other way or, as often happens on this list, not defined at all then JC might have a different answer to "will you survive" or have no answer at all because gibberish has no answer". > > > so you expect to live some experience, no? > Explain what that *GODDAMN* personal pronoun "you" means and JC will provide an answer! Bruno's " I will please you and not use pronouns " promise sure didn't last long. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
