On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > Yes, arithmetic can simulates a Turing machine, >
Arithmetic can't simulate anything unless it has access to something physical like a biological brain or a electronic microprocessor. > > > But a primary physical reality, well I have already not much clue what > that can be, > It means physics is the most fundamental science and mathematics is just a tool humans have invented to help them figure out how nature in general and physics in particular works; I'm not saying that it true, I don't know if it is or not, I'm just saying that's what it means. > > > if quantum field theory is correct, it is an analog imitation of the > digital. > The first word of the name should have tipped you off, if *QUANTUM * field theory is correct then nothing is analog. > > > You need to make precise your theory of primary matter to proof that it > can emulates all computations, > I'm just playing devil's advocate , unlike you I don't claim to have proven anything . I don't know if math or physics is more fundamental; you don't know either but you think you do. > > >> >> >> >> Physical water, like any physical stuff does not rely on one >> computations, but on an infinity of them, >> > > > >> > Nobody knows if that is true or not, maybe only an astronomical number of > calculations would be required to perfectly simulate water, but if you're > right and a infinite amount of mathematics would be required to do what > just a small amount of matter can do so effortlessly then it's game over > and physics is more fundamental than mathematics, and mathematical models > can never be more than just approximations of the real deal. > > > > > Not at all, as this is *derived* without any phsyical assumption > You just assumed that any finite amount of mathematics can only approximate what matter does. So how can mathematics be more fundamental? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
