Bruno, it was the third reading when I realized that I do not understand what you wrote.
as for "... > "Life is a pure religious concept, based on delusion that there is > something in an organism that makes it alive." > standing for consciousness? I do not feel it. JM On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > On 15 Oct 2016, at 14:32, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > John, >> >> No, I do not know what life is. I guess, nobody does. >> >> From what I have seen recently, I like: >> >> "Life is a pure religious concept, based on delusion that there is >> something in an organism that makes it alive." >> > > That's consciousness, and if that is an illusion then everything is. Such > a "definition" of life is eliminative materialism. > > With computationamism the material composing the organism can itself be > described by a delusion of a universal person brought by an infinity of > universal machine. We can say then that Matter is a pure religious concept > based on the universal number delusion that there is something made up of > something when there might plausibly be only a statistics on number's > (sharable) dreams. > > Bruno > > > > > > > >> Evgenii >> >> Am 14.10.2016 um 21:08 schrieb John Mikes: >> >>> Evgenii, >>> >>> do you have some idea about "LIFE", not the '*Game *of it'? Are >>> there disclaimers that may lead to a STATE - callable 'life'? I would >>> not rely entirely on the biology, life may be much more and not >>> quite(?) moelcularly bound. How is 'mentality' involved? Changes??? >>> (and I mean: self induced ones!) We have a very limited image of >>> Mother Nature. Is 'life' more, or less than our limited knowledge of >>> 'nature'? Please do not forget: I am an agnostic and believe in many >>> many facets of the Entirety we know nothing about, yet supposedly >>> exist beyond our world. Is a 'self-induced change' L I F E ? How >>> induced? >>> >>> The question is exciting, I would learn more about it. >>> >>> John Mikes >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi <use...@rudnyi.ru> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I have listened to Sean Carroll's Big Picture. His world view is >>>> actually similar to the Game of Life, well, the rules are a bit >>>> more complicated. Below is the link to the equation that he >>>> proposes. >>>> >>>> Carroll claims that his equation describes human beings as well. He >>>> takes a compatibilist position in respect to free will: free will >>>> is compatible with the determinism. At the same time, he says that >>>> his equation is the very strong intellectual achievement of the >>>> mankind. >>>> >>>> I thought that it could be possible to invent some sort of the Game >>>> of Life where during the system evolution one gets the rule of the >>>> game printed on the screen. In my view, this should be somewhat >>>> analogous to what Carroll says. Well, it is hard to say in what >>>> form the rules of the game should appear, but this after all gives >>>> some freedom to invent such a game. >>>> >>>> I should mention that I mean nothing fancy. "Explaining" is meant >>>> in pure epiphenomenal fashion: an equation spontaneously appeared >>>> on a sheet of paper, nothing else. >>>> >>>> What do you think? Could it be possible to invent a self-explaining >>>> Game of Life in that sense? >>>> >>>> Evgenii >>>> >>>> P.S. Carroll's Game of Life: >>>> >>>> http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2013/01/04/the- >>>> world-of-everyday-experience-in-one-equation/ >>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this >>>> group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to >>>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this >>>> group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. 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