On 29 Dec 2016, at 08:09, Torgny Tholerus wrote:
On 2016-12-28 23:56, John Mikes wrote:
I do not intend to participate in the discussion of this topic fpr
more than one reason:
1. I am agnostic, so I just DO NOT KNOW what (who?) that "GOD" may
be.
You just have to ask God what she is. Then she will answer. But it
may take two years to get the full answer.
1,A: is God a PERSON? (Or: many persons?)
Yes, God is a person. In the same way as your own personality is
build up by trillions of brain cells, then Gods personality is build
up by billions of human beeings.
The human conception of God can be said to be build up to trillions of
human brain cells, but that is not God, given that by definition God
is the primary cause of the Universe, and you would not say that the
physical universe's primary cause is the human brain cells.
Of course the phsyical universe as we know it is also a human brain
construct, but if we assume mechanism, we can show that it is a
"Turing machine" constructs. the machine themselves are realized in
arithmetic, as all logicians know since 1931.
1,C Did He/She/It originate the World? (what draws the
question: How was God originated?)
No, she did not originate the world. She is a result of the natural
selection.
Well, you are not talking about God as the reason of the Universe and
all realities, but on the human conception of the universe. We could
say likewise that the human theory of natural selection is also only a
successful meme of the human brain. The physical universe can be
explained away in the same manner.
Natural selection need Mechanism to work, but with mechanism, the
physical universe cease to exist in any primitive way. So your
explanation becomes circular or wrong.
3. A am also ignorant about my (or anyone else's) Subconscious.
Have you ever M E T
yours? I figure it must be something limitless of which we
fathom only a bit.
Or is all t his rather fitting the Superconscious? we have some
idea about our 'conscious'?
I have talked with my subconscious. I do it every time I pray. And
sometimes my subconscious answer me. And sometimes my subconscious
talks directly to me, she reminds me when I have forgotten something.
The subconscious can take the form of person in dreams, but I would
not consider it as a person in the waking life, it is part of your own
personhood, I would say.
4. An immortal person? Cf. Wagner's Gotterdammerung.
No, God is not immortal. But God will live much longer than a human
being. God will live as long as the mankind exists.
5. "Supernatural powers"? did you ever define the "natural
ones" (beyond our ever changing concept of a system of our
"physical" explanations?
No, God have no supernatural powers. God can only do what a human
being can do.
With a non-standard definition of God, as this contradict the general
definition of the notion. In this list people have used the word "God"
as the cause or reason (not necessary physical, perhaps physical, it
will depend on the theory) of reality and realities.
We can reject a definition as being too much precise (like God = the
christian God), but we have to keep the basic of the definition: the
reason of everything, including consciousness and matter (real or
appearances).
You do seem have some faith in the second God of Aristotle: a physical
universe. But with mechanism, both God of Aristotle (the Creator and
the Creation) stop making sense. Only Plato abstract notion continue
to make sense, and indeed, Plato took it to Pythagoras, mainly, and we
are driven again toward it after the discovery of the universal number/
machine.
Mechanism is incompatible with both supernatural powers and ...
natural powers. Those who use the mind-brain identity link attribute
without saying some supernatural power to nature, by making nature
able to select computation(s) in arithmetic, and make all other
computations into zombie.
Bruno
John M
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