On 16 Jan 2017, at 03:17, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com
> wrote:
> Well, let us guess that whatever God is or was, exists as
some kind of super intelligent fellow,
It takes more than being smarter that a human to be God, you've
got to be omnipotent and have created the universe.
OK.
And we do have that the God of computationalism is omnipotent for the
first order arithmetical truth (indeed that's its definition), and
that he is responsible for the existence of the experiences, made by
the universal numbers, of the appearances of the physical reality
(that is a theorem in the computationalist theory of mind).
But spudboy100 point still make sense, because no machine can
distinguish a machine a bit more complex than itself with an Oracle
(in Turing sense, which is basically a generalisation of what I have
called the One, God or Glass-of-orange-juice, in some posts).
Bt that is also the reason why appealing to God, or to something more
complex than us, make no sense. That is why the neoplatonist insist
that the notion of God must be simple, and certainly simpler than us.
> Should we go looking for him or her, along with the other
happy space aliens, skipping about the Hubble Volume?
If space aliens existed they should be easy to detect, the fact we
haven't heard a peep from them makes me think they don't exist.
And God existed then teleology would be at the heart of things
rather than cause and effect, but we don't see the slightest hint of
that, and God is just as silent as ET.
> Maybe if we built better space telescopes,enormously, better,
we'd find evidence, maybe?
Better space telescopes would be great but they're not needed
for that. If God or ET existed it would be obvious to a blind man in
a fog bank.
Assuming a small universe, but nothing prevents the existence of
Aliens in far away galaxies, even if still observable by us, from what
we know today. I see no reason to say that it is obvious that there
are no Alien, because we would not have seen them already. "De mémoire
de rose, on n'a jamais vu mourrir un jardinier" (Fontenelle).
Bruno
John K Clark
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