Now this is true, in the same sense that last year some astronomers tried a new count on the number of galaxies, and the count increased from 200 billion, to 2 trillion, an order of magnitude, as they say. I mean, it's far, less, spectacular, than finding a super civilization at work, out their and maybe far in the past, or God, out their and maybe far in the past (sticking to special and general relativity), however it's still impressive. New things can and will be found if we improve our telescopes, etc...
-----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 9:33 am Subject: Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God On 16 Jan 2017, at 03:17, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Well, let us guess that whatever God is or was, exists as some kind of super intelligent fellow, It takes more than being smarter that a human to be God, you've got to be omnipotent and have created the universe. OK. And we do have that the God of computationalism is omnipotent for the first order arithmetical truth (indeed that's its definition), and that he is responsible for the existence of the experiences, made by the universal numbers, of the appearances of the physical reality (that is a theorem in the computationalist theory of mind). But spudboy100 point still make sense, because no machine can distinguish a machine a bit more complex than itself with an Oracle (in Turing sense, which is basically a generalisation of what I have called the One, God or Glass-of-orange-juice, in some posts). Bt that is also the reason why appealing to God, or to something more complex than us, make no sense. That is why the neoplatonist insist that the notion of God must be simple, and certainly simpler than us. > Should we go looking for him or her, along with the other happy space aliens, skipping about the Hubble Volume? If space aliens existed they should be easy to detect, the fact we haven't heard a peep from them makes me think they don't exist. And God existed then teleology would be at the heart of things rather than cause and effect, but we don't see the slightest hint of that, and God is just as silent as ET. > Maybe if we built better space telescopes,enormously, better, we'd find evidence, maybe? Better space telescopes would be great but they're not needed for that. If God or ET existed it would be obvious to a blind man in a fog bank. Assuming a small universe, but nothing prevents the existence of Aliens in far away galaxies, even if still observable by us, from what we know today. I see no reason to say that it is obvious that there are no Alien, because we would not have seen them already. "De mémoire de rose, on n'a jamais vu mourrir un jardinier" (Fontenelle). Bruno John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
