On 6 May 2017 8:08 p.m., "Brent Meeker" <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:



On 5/6/2017 1:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

> Exactly why I used arithmetic as the example.  Arithmetic, according to
>>>> your theory of consciousness, is independent of perception and physics.
>>>> Conscious thoughts, beliefs are entailed by arithmetic and so should be
>>>> independent of tequila.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That does not follow. Even Robinso Arithmetic can prove that a machine
>>> drinking some amount of tequila will prove anything.
>>>
>>
>> That would be impressive.  Is this proof published?
>>
>
> It is trivial. RA computes all states reaction in all computational
> histories. RA is a universal dovetailer, to be short. In the simulation of
> tequila + brain, people get drunk.
>

That's what I was afraid of.  Your theory successfully predicts it because
it predicts "everything", including people drink tequila and don't get
drunk.


Yes, but the key is the measure, isn't it. Everett also predicts that
everything consistent with QM happens. Somehow this leads to a
probabilistic account of what to expect. We know the math but we don't know
the reason. You're no doubt bored with my banging on about Hoyle, but I
must say that his is so far the only metaphor that has ever conveyed to me
how something could be both certain and uncertain depending on one's point
of view. So I think it's far too tricksy to say that comp predicts
everything (or Everett, or eternal inflation for that matter). The key is
the measure and how that measure discriminates between the typical, the
unusual, and the downright weird. Open problem, sure, but hardly an empty
or pointless one.

David



Brent

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